Smokey
  • Smokey
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
6 years ago
Many of us have either cheated or seen another person cheat. The consequences of getting caught vary with each circumstance. Cheating at school can result in punishment from a failing grade to full expulsion. Not getting caught can reward the person with better grades to qualifying for an award or even a possible job promotion.

I have personally witnessed friends and family cheat and get away with it. I never told on them to the authority in charge, but I have never forgotten those acts. For me their dishonesty colored my opinions of them forever after. I'm not completely guiltless, but my greatest transgression was to claim that I did a job that another man should have been given credit for. I got away with it as that other man had moved on to another job at another company.

Cheating in any form is wrong and should not be celebrated, but it is a part of all our lives. I began this thread as a voice of confession / opinion / or a place to tell about an experience that we can all benefit from hearing about. I hope that it will be taken for the serious thread that I intended it to be.


UserPostedImage
Cheesey
6 years ago
Wow...it really makes you think.
I never cheated in school. The thought of getting caught and my parents finding out would have killed me. Letting my parents down would have been horrible to me.
My parents told me they would always trust me, until I gave them reason not too.
Not that I never did anything wrong. I let my Dad down once, and it still bothers me to this day, even though he died 44 years ago.
But cheating? No.
UserPostedImage
Porforis
6 years ago
I don't recall outright cheating besides plagarism a few times in like, high school. This was back in the days when the internet was pretty new and teachers RELUCTANTLY accepted like, ONE internet source so long as you had multiple non-internet sources. So I'd find a couple sources in like, encyclopedias but take all my information that I actually used from the internet source, usually entire paragraphs which I'd then paraphrase.

I bullshit a lot, however. Partially because I'm decent at it and partially because there's a fine line between confidently expressing educated guesses and well... bullshitting. Feel free to call me on my bullshit if you're willing to explain yourself thoroughly, however 🙂
Smokey
  • Smokey
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
6 years ago

I don't recall outright cheating besides plagarism a few times in like, high school. This was back in the days when the internet was pretty new and teachers RELUCTANTLY accepted like, ONE internet source so long as you had multiple non-internet sources. So I'd find a couple sources in like, encyclopedias but take all my information that I actually used from the internet source, usually entire paragraphs which I'd then paraphrase.

I bullshit a lot, however. Partially because I'm decent at it and partially because there's a fine line between confidently expressing educated guesses and well... bullshitting. Feel free to call me on my bullshit if you're willing to explain yourself thoroughly, however :)

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Your honesty is refreshing. I'm not sure that paraphrasing is actually plagiarism though. Cheating however is like filing tax returns with a few added/subtracted numbers in place of the precise figures. People cheat on their spouse / or partner. I've seen people cheat when reporting their hours worked. There are many forms of cheating, some past MLB Pitchers knew them all.
UserPostedImage
KRK
  • KRK
  • Veteran Member
6 years ago
Porforis, plagiarizing is not quoting one source, research is not quoting several sources! 🙂 You were just doing research!

I am embarrassed to say that I am not as clean as you guys are on this topic. At our college, we had an honor code which said “we would not give receive or tolerate others use of unauthorized aid.”

I justified/rationalized giving other people aid because other people in the class were helping their friends. My girlfriend/future fiancé/future wife would not have passed statistics without un-authorized aid. I let my little head do the thinking for my big head, which was wrong.
In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
6 years ago

Porforis, plagiarizing is not quoting one source, research is not quoting several sources! 🙂 You were just doing research!

I am embarrassed to say that I am not as clean as you guys are on this topic. At our college, we had an honor code which said “we would not give receive or tolerate others use of unauthorized aid.”

I justified/rationalized giving other people aid because other people in the class were helping their friends. My girlfriend/future fiancé/future wife would not have passed statistics without un-authorized aid. I let my little head do the thinking for my big head, which was wrong.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Statistics class was hard, I mean difficult? Really? I don't remember having a problem with the class. I took it twice and got B's both times. At least that is what I recall. The only problem I had was with the Associate Prof. SHE actually had the wrong answer for a test question a couple of times. Sadly she wouldn't not admit her mistake. She asked who had "A" (The correct answer) about half the class raised their hand. Who had "B" about 1/4 of the class raised their hand. Who had one of the other answers that were totally wrong? (again about 1/4 of the class raised their hand.) Instead of doing the right thing and telling everyone she would change their grade or accept both answers or even saying let's just throw that question out she steadfastly refused. She told us it's only 1 point. But 1 point 2 or 3 times might be the difference in the overall letter grade for the class. I kept track and would have gone to the dean if I received a lower grade for the class.

I couldn't believe it when I took her advanced class a couple of years later. I was so made at myself that I forgot how poor of an instructor she was. My problem was I commuted and I wanted early classes so I could work afternoons. She was the only instructor willing to have stats classes at 8 am. The first day of the second class I almost walked out the door when I saw who the teacher was. Unfortunately I knew I didn't have any other option.

As far as cheating goes I am sure everyone has cheated. Just watch a 3,4 or 5 year old try and learn their boundaries. They want to see if their parents let them get away with things. If you are redefining cheating to only count of major offenses like cheating on a spouse or taxes or classwork, no I haven't cheated. Nor been tempted to cheat. If you want to include little petty things then as I said I am sure everyone has. I vaguely remember trying to see if my son could catch me when we played a game but I don't remember if it was physical like basketball and he would have kicked my butt or perhaps a card game or maybe a board game. I know afterward I told him to pay attention and here is why.

Speaking of card games. My great aunt didn't care if she won or lost when we played Euchre. She only wanted to see if she got away with reneging on a hand. She would laugh when she got away with it and give the other team 2 points. It made for so off the wall crazy games when we played with her.
UserPostedImage
KRK
  • KRK
  • Veteran Member
6 years ago
Stats may not have been hard for you, but my ex could not count to 12 without taking her blouse off.
In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
6 years ago

Stats may not have been hard for you, but my ex could not count to 12 without taking her blouse off.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



I understand. She was fortunate to have someone assist her. Your story reminded me of the worst professor I ever had. A close second was the one who taught FORTRAN. But he was a computer nerd before there were computer nerds and didn't know how to teach concepts to kids.
UserPostedImage
Smokey
  • Smokey
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
6 years ago
For most of us, cheating first comes to mind as something that happens in school. However there are other forms of cheating as well. Insurance companies are famous for collecting premiums, only to turn into Ebenezer Scrooge when presented with a claim. The customer normally gets cheated out of the full amount they should get.

Cheating occurs in sports as well, that is why officials are employed to enforce the rules of the game. Doctors, Lawyers, Dentist, Retailers, Auto Repair Shops and more overcharge for their services on a regular basis. All to often we swallow hard and pay the outrageous bills. Complaining about the charge can only just makes matters worse.

Ever get home with your dinner from the drive through restaurant only to find that the apple pie you paid for is not there. Or you discover that the Chinese food that you just had delivered did not include a fortune cookie and they forgot the soy sauce too. Getting cheated has become a regular part of our daily lives.
UserPostedImage
KRK
  • KRK
  • Veteran Member
6 years ago
Smokey, great points. Cheating, when you get right down to it, is stealing. It is taking (or giving) something that wasn’t yours (or yours to give.)

Now lets go ‘steal’ a victory today!!!!
In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
Fan Shout
yooperfan (1m) : Whew, I got it back. I was afraid that I lost this site for good.
Zero2Cool (39m) : Harrisburg Packers
Mucky Tundra (57m) : Yes
Zero2Cool (1h) : No.
dfosterf (1h) : The man carried us a lot of the time
dfosterf (1h) : I think a Kenny Clark tribute is in order
Zero2Cool (9h) : new site, text editor gooder even on phone
beast (10h) : Oh yes, sometimes they make using a cellphone tough. I just wanted to make sure it was the correct article, & thank you for pointing it out.
jdlax (11h) : I can't believe one of my teams went out and wablammo just up and acquired one of the best players in the world overnight
dfosterf (16h) : I do very much appreciate when Beast and others pick up my slack 😊
dfosterf (16h) : I accept Beast's admonishment regarding my failure to link stuff I reference. I simply never learned to link from my cell phone.
beast (16h) : That's not what your she said 😌, she said keep going 😏
Mucky Tundra (20h) : Anything over 4 hours means he needs to get to the hospital
Mucky Tundra (20h) : Someone might want to check on Hafley and make sure his erection has gone down
Zero2Cool (21h) : LaFleur texts "bleep me I cannot sit down"
Zero2Cool (22h) : YouTube has had me last hour or two lol
Mucky Tundra (22h) : Ugh this trade happened right as my shift started and it's killing me
Zero2Cool (22h) : Parsons wore 23 in high school.
Zero2Cool (22h) : Packers just cost Lions more money with Hutchinson too huh
Zero2Cool (23h) : That is fair by me.
buckeyepackfan (28-Aug) : Kenny Clark is the player, 2 1st rnd picks
Zero2Cool (28-Aug) : umm... what?
wpr (28-Aug) : I am stunned
Mucky Tundra (28-Aug) : RICKEY SCOOPS WAS RIGHT AGAIN!!!
Mucky Tundra (28-Aug) : ITS HAPPENING
buckeyepackfan (28-Aug) : DEAL IS DONE
buckeyepackfan (28-Aug) : MICAH IS COMING TO GREEN BAY!!!!!!!!!
wpr (28-Aug) : Me do-ed it gooderly,
Zero2Cool (28-Aug) : Bahah, I was like WTF why isn't anyone posting on PP.com ... oops no one has permissions
dfosterf (27-Aug) : tell her I reckon
dfosterf (27-Aug) : Micah Robinson cut. Probable PS player tomorrow. Has to call mom back and t
Zero2Cool (27-Aug) : New site so much better. Might make switch and deal with it.
dfosterf (27-Aug) : Mecole Hardman to our practice squad
dfosterf (27-Aug) : Nick Nieman from Texans our 5th linebacker. Special teams signing
TheKanataThrilla (27-Aug) : Looks like we signed Clayton Tune as QB3
wpr (27-Aug) : TKT people lose their minds over QB3. Point is almost none of them are ready that's why they are on the PS and other teams don't take them.
TheKanataThrilla (27-Aug) : Unfortunately he doesn't seem ready to be an emergency QB.
TheKanataThrilla (27-Aug) : As a Canadian and a follower of Canadian University football. I am rooting for him
dfosterf (27-Aug) : I bet a lot of us will follow the Taylor Elgersma journey with interest. Personally, got a Kurt Warner vibe goin' on. I like him
TheKanataThrilla (27-Aug) : Not sure if either will be claimed though.
TheKanataThrilla (27-Aug) : Tune or Hooker would make sense
dfosterf (27-Aug) : Clayton Tune cut by the Cards? Don't know if that's the guy, we shall see
TheKanataThrilla (27-Aug) : Per Bill Huber, the Packers will not be bringing back Taylor Elgersma or Sean Clifford on the practice squad, so a new third quarterback
Mucky Tundra (27-Aug) : Schefter must have deleted his tweet
dfosterf (27-Aug) : Hopefully Jerry reaches under the seat cushions and ashtrays of his jet and scrapes up the 45 million apr and spares us further nonsense
dfosterf (27-Aug) : Have to admit the PO'd Cowboy fan videos would be fun to watch. Problem with draft picks is half their fanbase barely knows what that is
beast (27-Aug) : I think Cowboys fans are ready to get their pitch forks and burning sticks if Jerry were to trade Micah
dfosterf (27-Aug) : If Jerry traded Micah to GB, here in northern Va. they would have to quick build yet another data center to handle the internet hate traffic
Zero2Cool (27-Aug) : its signing and trades that you don't hear about, other then announced
Zero2Cool (27-Aug) : If you hear rumors about Packers sign or trade, won't happen. Not how they work
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

19h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

19h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

28-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

28-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

28-Aug / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

27-Aug / Fantasy Sports Talk / Zero2Cool

27-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

27-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

26-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

26-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

25-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.