Dirty Officiating · PACKERSHOME

Smokey
Veteran Member Topic Starter

6 years ago

Officials are an ever present part of all sports. Most do their best to be fair and impartial judges of the rules and any violations of the rules that they see. Baseball Umpires have been and will always be questioned for their Ball/Strike calls. Basketball Referees often make judgement calls on what they see as a foul. Football too has calls that leave everyone scratching their heads.

I have witnessed live as well as televised calls from officials, that I personally observed from the best angle, that were flat out wrong and the official knew they made the wrong call. At no time ever have I seen an official reverse them self. I've seen calls overruled by a higher level official or through video replay evidence.

I once witnessed an official make a bad call at a High School football game that resulted in a loss for the home team. Following the game as I was approaching my car, I turned to see three of the officials trying to sneak out to their cars. I stared at them trying to conceal themselves with jackets on and clustered together as they tried to hurry away. One of the men looked right at me and then lowered his head in shame as they passed on their way. I said nothing to them, but their guilt was evident.

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Cheesey
Preferred Member

6 years ago

Maybe it had nothing to do with shame, and more to do with trying to get away before someone attacked them.
I ref’ed a high school football game once. A kid caught a touchdown pass and I signaled it as such. I was in the end zone and saw it clearly. The coach from the other team started screaming at me for several minutes. He wasn’t close to the endzone, and kept yelling. And it wasn’t like it was a game changing call. His team was getting beat badly. After the game he did come up to me and apologize for his actions, but he still felt I was wrong.
So I can see why refs try to get away from a possible fight by trying to “hide” from the fans.
You never know how far some ticked off fan might go.

Smokey
Veteran Member Topic Starter

6 years ago

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

I can't recall where any referees were ever attacked by fans anywhere in Va. People do yell at the officials, that must occur the world over. My point was that I personally witnessed that official make a bad call from a perfect angle/distance. The call so affected that game that the home team lost both the game and a trip to the playoffs. Those officials violated their oaths to be impartial and they knew it.

Your one game as an official, while interesting, is not what this thread is looking for. I've seen many games (not just football) where the momentum or the field position or the outcome could be traced to a bad call from an official. It may only happen on 1 in 10,000 plays, but they DO OCCUR.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

6 years ago

Of COURSE bad calls get made! My point is, the officials are only human, and make mistakes. To vilify them isn’t fair. They don’t have instant replay to help like in the pros.
And it’s not easy. I learned that in my one game. It opened my eyes to the possibilities of just how easy it is to get abused while trying to do s job no one really wants.
You seem to want to make refs out to be miserable cheaters that make bad calls on purpose.
There are thousands of ball games every year around the country. To expect them to be perfect is asking too much.
Try reffing a game, then judge them. You would see it’s not so easy.

Smokey
Veteran Member Topic Starter

6 years ago

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

Not all officials are 100% honest 100% of the time. Some have been caught red handed taking a bribe. A rich University booster can have a payoff/s put directly into a Swiss or Cayman Island bank account that can't be traced. A foul called/not called at a critical point in a basketball game can make all the difference if your a sports bookie.

99% of officials are not "miserable cheaters", but saying that none ever are is just hiding your head in the sand. It is rare that an official is exposed for bad behavior, but for every official exposed, how many more are there that don't get caught.

As for personal officiating experience, I've umpired baseball games and know that all calls will not be applauded 100% of the time. However at the college and pro levels the stakes get higher and greed can never be eliminated from the final analysis.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

6 years ago

Did I say that no refs are bad???
No, I didn’t.
I don’t know....seems that you just like to argue with me.
I never said that ALL refs are honest. Just like ANY job, there can be bad people.

Smokey
Veteran Member Topic Starter

6 years ago

Did I say that no refs are bad???
No, I didn’t.
I don’t know....seems that you just like to argue with me.
I never said that ALL refs are honest. Just like ANY job, there can be bad people.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

Cheesey, just as in tennis, I will try to return balls hit into my side of the court. All to often though you and others will try to apply a 90* thread turn to derail the spirit of the original thread concept. You admit that not all refs are honest, but you don't relate an incident where you personally witnessed a ref deliberately making/not making a call.

I've seen players and their managers both loose their heads over an Umpire's obviously wrong call. They both protested so much that both got ejected from the game.

KRK
Veteran Member

6 years ago

To be frank with you for a number of years, it seemed like the Packers were the beneficiaries of too many calls. I think the pendulum is turned in for some reason, we are somewhat out of favor, or at the very least, less favored than we were.

Most of the posters here are spot on with their analysis. The great majority of officials do great work...or at least try to. But they are only people, with flaws, imperfections, and who are subject to temptation. Some succumb to that temptation.

In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK

Cheesey
Preferred Member

6 years ago

“Return balls”???
Did I say anything wrong? Did I say YOU were wrong?
No, I just gave possible explanations as to the refs that YOU thought were slinking away because you thought they purposely blew a call.
I guess when you have your opinion on something, you think you just HAVE to be right. And if I dare to give another very real possibility, I’m somehow (in your mind) attacking your position.

Remember when you first came here? You attacked me. It took the other regulars here to stop it.
You need to accept that in something like this thread you started, which is based only on your opinion, that there are others with just as valid opinions.
If you can’t accept that, you shouldn’t post.
Maybe you should have named this thread “only post here if you agree 100% with me, or I will attack you”
That would be more realistic.

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