Pack93z
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16 years ago

Pack,

I see what you're saying, but this is not the same situation at all.

First off, Ted Thompson has been here for FOUR YEARS already...by the 4th year...Wolf had already had his SB trophy.

"Roddyboy" wrote:



Wolf came to Green Bay.. 1991

Ron Wolf, N.Y. Jets director of player personnel and veteran of 29 years as pro football scout and executive, named executive vice president and general manager by Harlan, with full authority over Packers' football operation (Nov. 27).



Meaning.. he had the remainder of 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995.. to build a team that finally won it all in the 1996 Season.. so subtract the 1991 season.. that still is 4 complete offseasons to build a team that went the distance..

That is 5 seasons of offseason moves to assemble the team correct?

9-7, 9-7, 9-7, 11-5.. was the first 4 years of his rein..

I don't know where we will end up... maybe we never win one with Thompson.. but my point is there was plenty of contention those first 4 years that we should have been better.. with a HOFer on each side of the ball we didn't go more than 9-7 for two years.

Patience.. that is all.
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Pack93z
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16 years ago
But to your point.. we have underachieved this season.. absolutely no doubt about that. None.

Lunch over.. out to sit for the evening.. need to shoot one yet this season.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
RedSoxExcel
16 years ago
Nice post Pack93, I get what you are saying.

And Sherman was horrible, simple as that.

But I will have to disagree that this is a similar situation. 13-3 and an OT away from the SB to 5-6 with almost the exact same team, is a big step back rather than a step forward.

Yeah you have to rebuild, but you already rebuilt to a 13-3 record. You actaully regressed, which is no longer on the rebuilding road IMO. This team is underachieving.
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minnypacker
16 years ago

But to your point.. we have underachieved this season.. absolutely no doubt about that. None.

Lunch over.. out to sit for the evening.. need to shoot one yet this season.

"pack93z" wrote:



I agree we have underachieved this season, but It has little to do with teh play of AR. The defense has been our downfall as well as an inconsistant effort from our OL (especially Clifton).

This team will not take the next lead until our lines become dominant again.
minnypacker
16 years ago

Nice post Pack93, I get what you are saying.

And Sherman was horrible, simple as that.

But I will have to disagree that this is a similar situation. 13-3 and an OT away from the SB to 5-6 with almost the exact same team, is a big step back rather than a step forward.

Yeah you have to rebuild, but you already rebuilt to a 13-3 record. You actaully regressed, which is no longer on the rebuilding road IMO. This team is underachieving.

"RedSoxExcel" wrote:



Sherman was a poor GM (IMHO A serious mistake by Harlan and Wolf) but a better coach than people give him credit for...I loved his OL philosophy!
DarkaneRules
16 years ago
We needed more quality depth. I agree that this season is as much about underachieving as anything. It cannot be overstated how awful the loss of Jenkins was.
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buckeyepackfan
16 years ago
MS was a fine HC, sometimes people forget he took over a team that was 8-8 the year before and did not make the play-offs.

He was smart enough to know that he had a good core of "better than most" and "great players" to build with and IMHO tried to add to that core of players by using free agecy, trades, and trying to "hit" on players in the draft that could immediately help the team.

Did it work?, MS did have a pretty good W-L record, but also made some bad decisions which probably did cost The Packers a chance at "at least one more SB run".

I don't think it was MS's idea to become both HC and GM, he was offered the posiition, what HC in his right mind was going to turn it down?

The GM/HC experiment that happened in the mid-late 90's turned out in most cases to not work anywhere. IE...Mike Holmgren in Seattle.

TT's philosphy is completely different than MS's was, is it better?, only time will tell, at this point MS's W-L record for the first 4 years is better than TT's, IMHO the patience of a good % of Packer fans is going to wear thin real fast if the rest of this season does not go well.
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DanJustDan29
16 years ago
Good Riddance to those who can't take it anymore...
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