Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • Select Member Topic Starter
16 years ago

Pack,

I see what you're saying, but this is not the same situation at all.

First off, Ted Thompson has been here for FOUR YEARS already...by the 4th year...Wolf had already had his SB trophy.

"Roddyboy" wrote:



Wolf came to Green Bay.. 1991

Ron Wolf, N.Y. Jets director of player personnel and veteran of 29 years as pro football scout and executive, named executive vice president and general manager by Harlan, with full authority over Packers' football operation (Nov. 27).



Meaning.. he had the remainder of 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995.. to build a team that finally won it all in the 1996 Season.. so subtract the 1991 season.. that still is 4 complete offseasons to build a team that went the distance..

That is 5 seasons of offseason moves to assemble the team correct?

9-7, 9-7, 9-7, 11-5.. was the first 4 years of his rein..

I don't know where we will end up... maybe we never win one with Thompson.. but my point is there was plenty of contention those first 4 years that we should have been better.. with a HOFer on each side of the ball we didn't go more than 9-7 for two years.

Patience.. that is all.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • Select Member Topic Starter
16 years ago
But to your point.. we have underachieved this season.. absolutely no doubt about that. None.

Lunch over.. out to sit for the evening.. need to shoot one yet this season.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
RedSoxExcel
16 years ago
Nice post Pack93, I get what you are saying.

And Sherman was horrible, simple as that.

But I will have to disagree that this is a similar situation. 13-3 and an OT away from the SB to 5-6 with almost the exact same team, is a big step back rather than a step forward.

Yeah you have to rebuild, but you already rebuilt to a 13-3 record. You actaully regressed, which is no longer on the rebuilding road IMO. This team is underachieving.
blank
minnypacker
16 years ago

But to your point.. we have underachieved this season.. absolutely no doubt about that. None.

Lunch over.. out to sit for the evening.. need to shoot one yet this season.

"pack93z" wrote:



I agree we have underachieved this season, but It has little to do with teh play of AR. The defense has been our downfall as well as an inconsistant effort from our OL (especially Clifton).

This team will not take the next lead until our lines become dominant again.
minnypacker
16 years ago

Nice post Pack93, I get what you are saying.

And Sherman was horrible, simple as that.

But I will have to disagree that this is a similar situation. 13-3 and an OT away from the SB to 5-6 with almost the exact same team, is a big step back rather than a step forward.

Yeah you have to rebuild, but you already rebuilt to a 13-3 record. You actaully regressed, which is no longer on the rebuilding road IMO. This team is underachieving.

"RedSoxExcel" wrote:



Sherman was a poor GM (IMHO A serious mistake by Harlan and Wolf) but a better coach than people give him credit for...I loved his OL philosophy!
DarkaneRules
16 years ago
We needed more quality depth. I agree that this season is as much about underachieving as anything. It cannot be overstated how awful the loss of Jenkins was.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
buckeyepackfan
16 years ago
MS was a fine HC, sometimes people forget he took over a team that was 8-8 the year before and did not make the play-offs.

He was smart enough to know that he had a good core of "better than most" and "great players" to build with and IMHO tried to add to that core of players by using free agecy, trades, and trying to "hit" on players in the draft that could immediately help the team.

Did it work?, MS did have a pretty good W-L record, but also made some bad decisions which probably did cost The Packers a chance at "at least one more SB run".

I don't think it was MS's idea to become both HC and GM, he was offered the posiition, what HC in his right mind was going to turn it down?

The GM/HC experiment that happened in the mid-late 90's turned out in most cases to not work anywhere. IE...Mike Holmgren in Seattle.

TT's philosphy is completely different than MS's was, is it better?, only time will tell, at this point MS's W-L record for the first 4 years is better than TT's, IMHO the patience of a good % of Packer fans is going to wear thin real fast if the rest of this season does not go well.
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
DanJustDan29
16 years ago
Good Riddance to those who can't take it anymore...
Teamwork is what the Green Bay Packers were all about. They didn't do it for individual glory. They did it because they loved one another. -Vince Lombardi
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (4h) : Getting help would have been nice, but helping ourselves should always be the plan
beast (4h) : Too bad Seahawks couldn't beat Vikings
bboystyle (4h) : We just need to win Monday night and were in
Mucky Tundra (7h) : Or ties, but let's be real here
Mucky Tundra (7h) : Other scenario was Falcons+Rams losses
Mucky Tundra (7h) : Needed a Falcons loss for a Seahawk loss to clinch
buckeyepackfan (8h) : Am I wring in saying if Tge Vikings beat The Seahawks, The Packers clinch?
Mucky Tundra (21-Dec) : Agreed; you stinks
Zero2Cool (21-Dec) : I'm not beating anyone. I stinks.
Mucky Tundra (21-Dec) : rough injury for tank dell. guy can't catch abreak
beast (21-Dec) : So far the college playoffs have sucked... One team absolutely dominates the other
beast (21-Dec) : Well even if you weren't positive towards a guy, you wouldn't nessarily want to tell the media that (if they don't know about it)
Martha Careful (21-Dec) : I think MLF want Love to look past the end half issues, and feel good about his play. Our coaches generally keep a very positive tone.
beast (21-Dec) : I think a great running game will do that for most QBs
packerfanoutwest (21-Dec) : Coach Matt LaFleur has said quarterback Jordan Love is playing the best football of his career.
beast (21-Dec) : Oh, that's how you keep beating buckeye, with cheating
Zero2Cool (20-Dec) : There is a rule that if your name starts with 'b' you lose 15 points. Hey, I don't make the rules, I just enforce them!
wpr (20-Dec) : and then there is Beast. Running away with it all.
beast (20-Dec) : As of tonight, 3 way tie for 2nd in Pick'em, that battle is interesting!
beast (20-Dec) : Lions vs Vikings could be the main last game as it could determine division winners or #1 vs #2 seed
Mucky Tundra (20-Dec) : Or if KC needs to win for the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (20-Dec) : Right now it looks like the only prime worthy games are Det-Minny and KC-Denver (if Denver can clinch a wild card spot)
Mucky Tundra (20-Dec) : The entirety of week 18 being listed as flex is weird
Zero2Cool (19-Dec) : Matt LaFleur today says unequivocally "Ted Thompson had nothing to do with the drafting of Jordan Love."
Zero2Cool (19-Dec) : Apparently, the editing is what pieces comments together. That Ted thing ... fake news.
Zero2Cool (19-Dec) : LaFleur "opportunity that Ted Thompson thought was too good to pass up"
Zero2Cool (19-Dec) : Jordan Love pick was Ted Thompson's idea.
Mucky Tundra (19-Dec) : Kyle Shanahan on signing De'Vondre Campbell as a FA last offseason: “We obviously made a mistake.”
packerfanoutwest (19-Dec) : Alexander’s last season with GB
Martha Careful (18-Dec) : if I were a professional athlete, I would probably look to see who the agent is for Kirk Cousins and then use him
beast (18-Dec) : $100 million fully guaranteed Kirk Cousins gets benched for rookie
Mucky Tundra (18-Dec) : a lower case b
Mucky Tundra (18-Dec) : The real lie is how beast capitalized his name in his message while it's normally spelled with
packerfanoutwest (18-Dec) : haha that's a lie
beast (17-Dec) : Despite what lies other might tell, Beast didn't hate the Winter Warnings, it felt refreshing to Beast for some reason.
Zero2Cool (17-Dec) : whiteout uniforms in general are pretty lame and weak. NFL greed at it's worst
Martha Careful (17-Dec) : The Viking uniforms, the whiteout uniforms specifically absolutely suck
beast (17-Dec) : Thanks Zero2Cool, looks a lot better now
beast (17-Dec) : Seems like someone has a crush on me, can't stop talking about me
Zero2Cool (17-Dec) : Should be gooder now. The forum default theme went to goofy land.
Zero2Cool (17-Dec) : What the hell
packerfanoutwest (17-Dec) : yeah beast hates the Winter Warning Unies
Mucky Tundra (16-Dec) : Okay I'm glad to know it's not just something happening to me lol
Mucky Tundra (16-Dec) : Zero, did you copy the Packers uniforms from last night and white out the board?
beast (16-Dec) : Oh crap, is the board going to the Winter Warning Uniforms too?!? It's all white on white right now!
Zero2Cool (16-Dec) : WR Odell Beckham Jr is officially a free agent after clearing waivers.
Zero2Cool (16-Dec) : Packers are 6th in sacks.
Zero2Cool (16-Dec) : RB David Montgomery will undergo season-ending knee surgery.
Mucky Tundra (16-Dec) : Dan Campbell on onside kick with 12 minutes left: In hindsight, wish I didn’t do that
Zero2Cool (16-Dec) : They have that whole 12th man thing so ...
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
49m / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

22-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / packerfanoutwest

19-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

19-Dec / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

18-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

17-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

17-Dec / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

16-Dec / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Mucky Tundra

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.