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Pack93z
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16 years ago

I'm not denying any of this. I'm merely pointing out that we "control our own destiny". And more than that, we don't have to be anything special or become a different team. A win vs the Lions, Texans, Jaguars, and Bears can put us in the playoffs.

I'm only being optimistic, yet I don't feel it takes a ton of optimism to think we have a good shot at winning said 4 games.

"mattresell" wrote:

Matt.. I know and I am sorry for ranting in your positive thread.

Usually I am fairly optimistic in my approach.. but this team has had one problem after another this year... we are either less talented than I thought or we have to really look at the lack of leadership on this club..

We are better than we played tonight.. so hopefully this will light a fire.. well probably for only next week.. but after tonight.. I will take it.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

GOPACKGO1225
Registered

16 years ago

#12

Carolina is going to be tough so I hope that fire is lit already.

HoustonMatt
Registered Topic Starter

16 years ago

#13

"pack93z" wrote:

No need to apologize, man. I hear everything you're saying 100%. I could be overly optimistic, though I suspect the proper level of optimism lies somewhere in between you and I.

I still think this team is as talented as we thought it was though. This was the first game in which we were handily beaten. 5-6 means something's wrong though. I just don't know what that something is.

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MassPackersFan
Member

16 years ago

#14

Wow that schedule is brutal for the Vikings. Too bad the Giants won't have anything to play for though.

"djcubez" wrote:

Maybe they'll REALLY care about who gets to wear the home jersey in the Superbowl.

GOPACKGO1225
Registered

16 years ago

#15

Can only hope they have a reason to play.

djcubez
Senior Member

16 years ago

#16

"pack93z" wrote:

we are either less talented than I thought or we have to really look at the lack of leadership on this club..

"mattresell" wrote:

Is it me or does it seem like we lack a defensive leader now? Someone who's vocal and pumps people up. Barnett's out and our other oldest vet, KGB, was cut. Everyone else is young and is just filling roles, and I can't see Harris or Woodson as leader types. This team needs a strong defensive centerpice and I think we are really lacking that.

IronMan
Veteran Member

16 years ago

#17

This was a bad loss. No debating that. But I know how this board can get - really high after wins and really low after losses.

I just spent the past 15 minutes looking at schedules, so let me try to put thi in perspective. We are certainly not out of the playoff hunt. In fact, I see a decent shot at winning the division even with 1 more loss, so long as that loss isn't to the Bears or Lions.

Let's play out some scenarios real quick operating under the assumption that we win the two division games and two of the other three. (I don't think beating two of Carolina, Jacksonville, and Houston is a reach.) That would put us at 9-7. Lets take a look at the Vikings and Bears.

We'll start with the Vikings/Bears game next week and look at the ramifications for each team winning.

First up: Vikings.

A win vs the Bears gives them 7 wins, meaning they would need 3 more wins to win the division if we get out 9 wins. We hold the tie breaker against since the season series is tied, but we would have a better division record after beating the Lions and Bears. Their other 4 games look like this:

@ Detroit
@ Arizona
vs Atlanta
vs NYG

We could catch a bad break if the Giants have nothing to play for in Week 17, but even so, I don't see a 3-1 record as likely. Sure, it could happen, but I would still see our chances of winning the division as reasonable.

Next up: Bears

A win vs the Vikings next week gives them 7 wins, meaning they too would need 3 more victories to win the division. Again, this is assuming our win over them in Week 16 giving us the head-to-head tie breaker. Let's take a look at their schedule:

vs Jacksonville
vs New Orleans
vs Green Bay
@ Houston

Now we've assumed our win vs the Bears, so that means they would have to sweep the remaining three games. It could happen, but it's not likely.

So what does all of this show? It shows that if we beat the Bears and the Lions (not unreasonable victories), I still think we have the best shot to win the division, even if we lose one of the Carolina/Jacksonville/Houston games.

Now, if we don't beat the Bears and Lions, all bets are off. But I'm trying to bring some optimism to the board. Truth is, we're still in pretty decent shape. (So long as our defense doesn't ever play again like they did tonight.)

"mattresell" wrote:

Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining!

I have always wanted to say that.

all_about_da_packers
Senior Member

16 years ago

#18

we are not the 07' Packers that beamed consistency.. we have regressed as a team..

"pack93z" wrote:

It's astonishing. Just about what could've gone wrong for us has, especially on the D-line:

- KGB fails to recover from injury
- Jenkins goes down
- Harrell is more fragile than ever
- Kampman shows he is human, can't do it all himself

Tonight our D lost this game. Not to say the Offense was mistake free, but we failed to execute. Most glaringly though, we failed to get a pass rush yet again, and failed in Run D yet again.

At some point, when McCarthy keeps referencing the same mistakes happening over and over again (gap control, shedding blockers, getting low in the stance, etc.)... well either the players are total morons or they are simply not talented enough to cut it.

For the first time this season, I've realized our D-line isn't good enough to cut it. Jenkins going out hurt big time, and KGB not returning to form hurt too. Regardless, Ted has some good of fashion work to do this year...

The games are won and lost in the trenches. And you can easily argue that our O and D line have been responsible for the vast majority of our losses.

The NFL: Where Greg Jennings Happens.

alldaybaby
Registered

16 years ago

#19

the packers are 0-3 against the NFC south and you think Carolina will be easy ? EVERY team has a tough run in right now i bet a number of you had last night down as a win .... the vikings chances lay not with the team , but with Goodall until he decides what going to happen with the williams boys no one knows hows this season will end for our division , all i will say is its going down to the wire

a classic Aaron rogers quote\r\n\r\nquote: \"I\'ve got a roommate, a guy I met in town. He works for the Packers now as an athletic trainer....He\'s been great for me...Our friendship goes a lot deeper than what we do. \"

alldaybaby
Registered

16 years ago

#20

we are not the 07' Packers that beamed consistency.. we have regressed as a team..

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:

"pack93z" wrote:

sorry but the "injury" excuse doesn't wash with me , plenty of teams have far worst problems than the packers as far as injuries go , you was facing one of them last night yourself

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Zero2Cool (15h) : I guess 3 games. Whatever

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Zero2Cool (15h) : Packers are gonna get 3rd place division schedule next year.

Mucky Tundra (16h) : Kanata, seek help! lol

beast (18h) : I was rooting for the Bears to win and hurt their draft pick status

Zero2Cool (18h) : Forgot there was even a game last night haha

TheKanataThrilla (18h) : That was terrible.

TheKanataThrilla (18h) : Watching that game in its entirety yesterday is proof positive that I am a football addict.

beast (19h) : And horrible time management multiple times... and not being able to score more than 3 points on a team with talent

beast (19h) : Realizing the Bears didn't fix it from the previous week and do the same thing, getting the game to overtime

beast (19h) : They probably are not tanking, but they've absolutely mismanagement some things, such as Vikings seeing the Packers blocked FG and realizing

Zero2Cool (20h) : Crazy of Bears to have that mindset that is

Zero2Cool (20h) : Hail Mary stop away from 5 - 2. Not sure how that flips to tanking. Crazy mindset if true

beast (20h) : I've quietly questioned if Bears are tanking on purpose... they suddenly got a lot worse with some simple concepts like 101 clock management

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Mucky Tundra (27-Dec) : The Seattle Seahawks defeat the Chicago Bears 6-3. Jason Myers had 6 RBIs for Seattle while Cairo Santos had 3 RBI for Chicago

beast (27-Dec) : Not nessarily, he might of been injured either way. He's playing about 50% of the games the last 4 years

Zero2Cool (26-Dec) : If they'd been more patient with him, he'd be back already. Putting him out there vs Bears caused him to tweak it and here we are.

packerfanoutwest (26-Dec) : well this is his last season with the PAck, book it

beast (26-Dec) : Sounds like no Alexander (again), I'm wondering if his time with the Packers is done

Zero2Cool (26-Dec) : Could ban beast and I still don't think anyone catches him.

Mucky Tundra (26-Dec) : Houston getting dog walked by Baltimore

packerfanoutwest (25-Dec) : Feliz Navidad!

Zero2Cool (25-Dec) : Merry Christmas!

beast (25-Dec) : Merry Christmas 🎄🎁

beast (24-Dec) : Sounds like no serious injuries from the Saints game and Jacobs and Watson should play in the Vikings game

packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : both games Watson missed, Packers won

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Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Oh I know about Jacobs, I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to mimic Zero lol

buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : Jacobs was just sat down, Watson re-injured that knee that kept him out 1 game earlier

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Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Jacobs gonna be OK???

Zero2Cool (24-Dec) : Watson gonna be OK???

packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath

packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.

packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?

bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.

bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?

bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network

beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th

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