Over 20 Million Reasons Why

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

... We need change. There's over 20 mil of our cap tied up in 52 and 53 to NOT have a pass rush? These weren't two failed FA additions...they were our own drafted and developed overpays.

Perhaps, it's time to attack the defensive woes by getting a new guy to stock the cupboard and coordinate it's contents?

How do you have over 20 Million tied up in pass rushers to not have a pass rush and have it be one of your pressing draft needs? Who is accountable? No one? Just let the same GM draft and same DC coordinate? Who could be for that?

Why are things like this glossed over year after year while no blame is ever levied? Someone needs to take the fall if not multiple someone's.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

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DoddPower
Veteran Member

7 years ago

... We need change. There's over 25 mil of our cap tied up in 52 and 53 to NOT have a pass rush? These weren't two failed FA additions...they were our own drafted and developed overpays.

Perhaps, it's time to attack the defensive woes by getting a new guy to stock the cupboard and coordinate it's contents?

How do you have over 25 Million tied up in pass rushers to not have a pass rush and have it be one of your pressing draft needs? Who is accountable? No one? Just let the same GM draft and same DC coordinate? Who could be for that?

Why are things like this glossed over year after year while no blame is ever levied? Someone needs to take the fall if not multiple someone's.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Keep Perry and dump Clay. CM3 needs to be a roving ILB with a cheaper salary, or gone. I still think he would make a very good ILB, but I guess he disagrees. Too bad.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

Clay is over 15 million all by himself.

Thankfully, Clay has no cap hit when released this offseason. I guess he could be extended on more cap friendly deal. He's 11.4 against cap, if he plays out his deal.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

7 years ago

Nick Perry needs more moves other than simply over powering T's because by the 4th quarter he's toast. Perry does beat his guy a lot, but doesn't have the speed to capitalize.
Clay Matthews is not an inside linebacker, he doesn't have what it takes.

Matthews is a $11,400,000 cap hit for 2018 with no dead money if released.
Perry is a $10,900,000 cap hit for 2018 with $14,800,000 dead money if released.

Matthews can be released, Perry should be kept.

$5,925,000 for Nick Perry in 2017 and $20,200,000 dead money if released.
$15,075,000 for Clay Matthews in 2017 with $14,575,000 dead money if released.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

21 million to not have a pass rush. WHO is responsible? That is the question within this thread.

We can't or don't want to address the elephant in the room? Someone or multiple someone's need to take the fall. This is not acceptable and has to be addressed not covered under the same crap we hear year after year.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

7 years ago

I do believe it is our outside rush that is lacking. A few years ago we had the outside rush but QBs could step up to avoid it. this year we were solid up front only to be lacking from the edge. We way overpaid for Matthews and probably for Perry, though there wasn't much choice with Perry, either bring him back for what the market demands or let him go and not have anybody to replace him with.

I can just imagine the Ted haters here next year if we don't resign Matthews and nobody steps up in his place complaining about how we could let him walk. But that is the easy part of being an armchair GM with hindsight. I expect Matthews to be extended for probably 2 years turning his salary into signing bonus and dropping his cap number for the 11.4million to somewhere around 5million. Along with Matthews Rodgers, Jordy and Cobb should all have their contracts reworked, between the 4 we could clear in the range of 20million in cap space.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Porforis
Veteran Member

7 years ago

Thought this was going to be a thread about Rodgers and starting Hundley and my head was ready to cave itself in on my desk lol.

But yes, absolutely agree we should let Clay walk. He's not going to extend for the amount of money he's actually worth to this team - he'll get more elsewhere.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

So, PFWT...nobody is responsible for 21 million of our cap being allocated to the OLB position and still not having a pass rush? We drafted Biegel, also. Shifting focus to armchair GMs?

Who is responsible? This is the shame of this regime. An environment such as this has been created where fans will not even question what is happening. Reality ignored for flowery words and created auras believed over actual facts. I've lost faith in the majority of our fan base and of course our management. It's a sick state of affairs around this organization when someone can't reconcile paying 21 million for no pass rush and it needing addressing in the offseason. Bizarro world.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

7 years ago

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

You are responsible. The entire packer organization conspired just to upset you.

There really isn't a WHO responsible, it was the circumstances at the time. I wasn't a fan of Clay's contract, but it was the going rate at the time. I thought they should have waited on his deal but doing that also could have resulted in costing us even more as the market rates tend to increase. I don't see letting him go at the time being an option either. Watching the ARM CHAIR GM's freak when non-starters are not resigned, I can only imagine what they would have said if they had let clay go when he was playing like a defensiveMVP.

There is nobody around who said we should not have kept Clay, or not have Signed Perry. Doing either was never an option. We could say that maybe they should have renegotiated Clays deal already but that would require Clay being willing also and none of us know if that was an option. And there is no idea what the team would be like today had they gone a different route. We would still be paying somebody and the odds of the team being better isn't likely.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

#10

This is unreal. There isn't a who? It's all just circumstance as if NOBODY created these circumstances? It's the angry armchair GMs that the focus needs to shift to not the org that created this mess? Un freaking real.

I'm at a loss for words to describe the bizarre mentality expressed here. It goes beyond delusion.

The truth is that we were on the hook for too much dead money so we compounded the mistake of Clay by spending on Nick creating 21 million of garbage. We paid more for Clay and Julius but at least got some bang for the buck out of that.

What is happening THIS SEASON is an atrocity for 21 million but, in true Packers fan fashion NOBODY is accountable or responsible? Um... Let's talk about most improved players instead.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

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