Vontaze Bufrict facing 5 game suspension for hit

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

What do you all think? Is 5 games to much, would another player have gotten less, and Burfict is being punished for his reputation and history. Should there be no punishment at all? the hit was within 5 yard of the LOS.

How much defense do we want to keep taking out of the game?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/28/was-vontaze-burficts-hit-legal/

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Wanna join the discussion?! Login to your PACKERSHOME forum account or Register a new forum account

Porforis
Veteran Member

7 years ago

I thought 5 games sounded like a lot for that hit until I saw a highlight reel of his cheap shots. A couple might have not been intentionally to injure people but holy shit some of these are bad. Guy shouldn't be in the league at all. There's laying hard hits down and then there's very obviously taking shots at people's heads and knees, in many cases when people are not actually in the play. Let's be real - Anthony Sherman wasn't in the play. You can try to parse rules all you want but Burfict knew where the ball was going (like 10 yards behind Sherman). Blocking him? Fine. Shot to his shoulders and head when he's running perpendicular and doesn't see him coming? When he's got a history of that stuff? Yeah, sit your ass down Vontaze.

All fine and dandy until he does something like that to Aaron Rodgers and gives him a concussion or worse and then everyone's screaming for him to be kicked out of the league

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

OK if the ball hadn't been thrown elsewhere is this same hit legal or illegal? If it is a FB releasing into the route or a TE crossing inside the 5 yards, should a hit like this be legal?

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Porforis
Veteran Member

7 years ago

OK if the ball hadn't been thrown elsewhere is this same hit legal or illegal? If it is a FB releasing into the route or a TE crossing inside the 5 yards, should a hit like this be legal?

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Probably would have been flagged if the ball was thrown to him regardless as the league is really trying to take away those high hits.

Also, new rule.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/246090/fair-question-was-vontaze-burficts-hit-legal

In March, the NFL amended its rule book in a way that often goes unnoticed by the majority of fans and media. It added a new qualification for defenseless player protection, part of the league's larger effort to minimize the chances for injury-producing contact.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 7(a-2) grants protection to "a receiver running a pass route when the defender approaches from the side or behind." In other words, defenders would be limited in the ways they could disrupt route running on a pass play.

At about the same time, NFL owners enhanced their discipline policy to encourage officials to eject, or the league office to suspend, players for particularly violent or flagrant hits to the head or neck area -- even on a first offense. The new emphasis was a clear warning that the league planned to further intensify its focus on the issue for the 2017 season.

wpr
Preferred Member

7 years ago

If a player has a history of cheap shots (Harrison) I am favor of the fine being greater than what someone else may get. I realize the appeals process will deduce it. If not let him sit down for a while. Guys have to learn not to maim their opponent. It takes more before some learn. If they ever do.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

Originally Posted by: Porforis

OK if you look at the rule, he didn't come form the side or behind, he came from in front within 5 yards of LOS where hitting the receiver is allowed in the rules. He hit with his shoulder into his chest. Did it look bad, sure. The "victim" didn't care, thought it was a good hit.

Some say, well it was away from the play, so they let him cross, and the ball happens to end up as an Interception and that FB is now able to make a tackle to prevent a TD.

Getting pretty close to taking the defense off the field through rules.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Porforis
Veteran Member

7 years ago

OK if you look at the rule, he didn't come form the side or behind

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

"Side" is ill-defined. Like, where does the "side" start? 45 degrees off the front? 50? 70? 90?

But he came from closer to the side than the front. Maybe 50 degrees off the front. MAYBE 45, it's hard to tell. But what should the NFL do in a situation like this, especially with someone with a clear history of intentionally going after people's heads, ankles, knees, etc?

he came from in front within 5 yards of LOS where hitting the receiver is allowed in the rules. He hit with his shoulder into his chest. Did it look bad, sure. The "victim" didn't care, thought it was a good hit.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Care to explain where in the rules it explains anything about being able to hit a receiver within 5 yards of the LOS? Because there is no such provision. Are you thinking of defensive holding? Here's the relevant rule, which is what he was penalized for.

http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2017-nfl-rulebook/#article-7.-players-in-a-defenseless-posture

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

YOu just point out more reason the rule change is bad. Technically anything that isn't 100% straight in front could be considered the side. And if the WR is running a route, how is the defender going to come and hit them from "behind"? you ask, What should they do, nothing, there were already rules to cover. If the WR is within 5 yards of the LOS there can be contact, if past that, it is already illegal to hit them from the front, back, side, top or bottom.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Porforis
Veteran Member

7 years ago

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

So are you saying now that it was an illegal hit but should not have been?

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

#10

I'm not sure if it should have been an illegal hit, and I don't think a players history should be a deciding factor in whether to consider something legal or illegal. It is either legal or not. If not, sure then look at history to determine punishment.

Many times I've seen a WR running a slant or offenses doing "RUB" routes, and a DB shoulder chuck them and knock them off their feet preventing them from being able to finish the route. That would be illegal under this rule. Offenses are going to adjust plays to you have guys like Gronk crossing shallow where they will basically be untouchable. All defenders are going to be able to do is tackle after the catch, not stop it from happening.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

dfosterf (13h) : I'm going to call that a good move.

Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : Packers sign CB Corey Ballentine

Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : I'm not sure how to kill the draft order just yet so it's not so confusing.

Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : *to be able

Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : and because it's not a dynasty league (which makes a lot more sense to be ability to trade picks)

Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Oh I know; I was just exploring and it blew my mind that you could trade picks because of the whole reordering thing

Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Zero, I think I preferred my offer: your 1st for my 15th rounder

Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : Keep in mind, we do a draft reorder once all members locked in

Zero2Cool (4-Aug) : You can have my 12th Rd for your 2nd round

Mucky Tundra (4-Aug) : Hey i didn't know we could trade picks in fantasy

Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Update: Rock has tried a cheese curd, promises it's not his last

Zero2Cool (3-Aug) : watch it!! lol

Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : you're right, we never did leave, the site just went down :P

Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Rock claims to have never eaten a cheese curd

Zero2Cool (3-Aug) : We did not leave.

Mucky Tundra (3-Aug) : Family Night! WE ARE SO BACK!

Mucky Tundra (2-Aug) : To this day, I'm still miffed about his 4 TD game against Dallas on Thanksgiving going to waste

Martha Careful (2-Aug) : Congratulations Sterling Sharpe. He was terrific and I loved watching him play.

beast (2-Aug) : I believe it's technically against the CBA rules, but Jerry just calls it a simple unofficial chat... and somehow gets away with it.

beast (2-Aug) : Jerry Jones is infamous for ̶n̶e̶g̶o̶t̶i̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ chatting with players one on one... and going around the agent.

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : Oo just saw a blurb saying that Dallas negotiated directly with Parsons and not through his agent

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : I assumed that both guys will get paid, just a matter of when or how we get there

Zero2Cool (1-Aug) : McLaurin nor Micah going anywhere. They will get money

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : the Synder years or do they take care of one of their own?

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : Do the Commanders risk losing a top WR with an emerging QB just because he's turning 30 and potentially risk damaging the rebuild from

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : Turns 30 this September, plays at a high level and Washington has some cap space I believe

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : More interesting is Washington with Terry McLaurin

Mucky Tundra (1-Aug) : I would imagine Dallas will resolve this issue with a truckload of money

Zero2Cool (1-Aug) : Micah pulling a Myles with trade request

beast (1-Aug) : Packers should make some cheese forks

Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : GRAB THE PITCHFORKS~

Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : CUT HIM

Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : Socieltal collapse imminent

Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : The West has fallen

Mucky Tundra (31-Jul) : After starting off camp with 25 straight made field goals, Brandon McManus has missed one

Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : But it should be stable

Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : It's probably gonna be slower.

Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : We're gonna just full go on to the new host.

Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : What crap. Site issues galore

Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : if PH dies, there is packerpeople com available

Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : database is on new host, eventually website will follow

Mucky Tundra (30-Jul) : Zero, regarding Ewers, you are correct.

Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Sadly, this might be our life for awhile. I could put it on another host, but seems it was slower, although more stable

beast (30-Jul) : How long will it be down?

beast (30-Jul) : RIP site 😭

Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Site will die, I have to restart it.

Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Quinn stinks. Lot of underthrows. (my guess)

beast (30-Jul) : How did Quinn Ewers effect where Golden was drafted?

dfosterf (30-Jul) : All I've experienced was late at night or early morning. I just figured you were doing something in the background

Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Site sure seems to be down more than up

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2025 Packers Schedule

Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM

COMMANDERS

Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM

Browns

Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM

Cowboys

Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM

BENGALS

Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM

Cardinals

Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM

Steelers

Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM

PANTHERS

Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM

EAGLES

Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM

Giants

Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM

Lions

Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM

BEARS

Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM

Broncos

Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM

Bears

Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM

RAVENS

Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM

Vikings