nerdmann
8 years ago

It's not crowded with a bunch of talent. Clay mostly belongs inside, and Perry is a good but not great pass rusher (but great against the run). Others are just guys.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Weeding guys out is easy.

Nick and Datone are run stuffers for LOLB. Clay belongs in the middle, if he wants to stfu and justify his contract. Fackrell gets a shot at being "the man" at ROLB. But he's unproven, like the rest of these guys.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
DoddPower
8 years ago

Weeding guys out is easy.

Nick and Datone are run stuffers for LOLB. Clay belongs in the middle, if he wants to stfu and justify his contract. Fackrell gets a shot at being "the man" at ROLB. But he's unproven, like the rest of these guys.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Datone Jones isn't even a Green Bay Packer. Also, I don't get the love for Fackrell at all. That guy will be lucky to be an average pass rusher. Dean Lowry has a better chance of being a good player than Fackrell. Plus he's already 25 years old. I don't see him improving much. The Packers need another pass rusher. Hopefully they get one.
nerdmann
8 years ago

Datone Jones isn't even a Green Bay Packer. Also, I don't get the love for Fackrell at all. That guy will be lucky to be an average pass rusher. Dean Lowry has a better chance of being a good player than Fackrell. Plus he's already 25 years old. I don't see him improving much. The Packers need another pass rusher. Hopefully they get one.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Fackrell needs an offseason, he'll take a step. But he still needs to prove that.

With all the CB depth, I say we should get an OLB pass rusher first. I mean alot depends on how the draft falls, but that's what I'm looking at. There's gonna be someone there. Get two of them if you can.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Barfarn
8 years ago

Datone Jones isn't even a Green Bay Packer. Also, I don't get the love for Fackrell at all. That guy will be lucky to be an average pass rusher. Dean Lowry has a better chance of being a good player than Fackrell. Plus he's already 25 years old. I don't see him improving much. The Packers need another pass rusher. Hopefully they get one.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I agree, we need 1 more pass rusher and 2 would be better. But, I don't get the negativity on Fackrell, what on earth do you expect from a 3rd round rookie?

In this case, I dont think the difference between being 23 like most 2nd yr players or 25 makes any difference in terms of ability to ascend. Fackrell took 1 year off after HS, Red shirted as a Freshman and would have come out after RS JR year but blew out his knee in 1st game, so its not like he's had 2 extra years of coaching/reps that might indicate limited upside. And most players by 23 have reached their full genetic development; whereas at 20 Clark may not be fully genetically developed. Fackrell has been exposed to NFL coaching and training/medical/nutrition staff just as much as any other 2nd yr guy.

His 146 snaps to the Bears' Floyd's 537 considered alone would see him drafted ahead of Floyd as a #9 pick. Fackrell may end up being a bust, but as a rookie the way he used his hands; his feel for sensing and getting OLman off balance and ability to flatten as he turns the corner defy the notion. I dont know if he was injured or wore down, he didn't seem to have the pop he had earlier in the year; but injuries heel and the staff will bulk him up.

Here's some stuff i wrote a few weeks ago comparing him to Floyd:

Fackrall got one sack against Giants Bobby Hart. The play before he did a bullrush pushing Hart back to w/in a yard of Manning. On next play he came in exactly the same way, but this time grabbed Harts arms and threw him to side for strip sack in less than 3 seconds.

Fackrell also got a sack against Taylor Decker of Lions; Fackrell sensed Taylor’s unbalance and thumped him in the chest and got right around for a 2.5 second sack. These 2 sacks showed unbelievable instinct to set-up and feel the OTs balance. This is stuff that Floyd just cant do.

Fackrell and Floyd played against Taylor in consecutive weeks. Fackrell had 37 snaps in Detroit, it was the only game he got significant snaps, got the sack stated above and with 1:10 in 2d Q, he gets his 2nd sack of Taylor does not hold. ON next play the RB chips on outside Fackrell throws Taylor to outside and is at Stafford’s feet in 3 seconds on 70+ TD pass was to Jones. At 2:26 in 3rd Q Decker is seal blocking Fackrell, Fackrall just throws him to the side, Fackrall is the king of leverage. At 1:51 in 3rd Fackrell performs an unbelievable spin move on Decker and Decker trips him. Fackrell would have had 3rd sacks if Taylor didn’t hold and trip him. Decker had a PFF grade of 47.8.

The next week Floyd goes up against Decker and did NOTHING. Not a tackle, pressure, sack or sniff of making a play. He got hurt after 3 plays in 2nd half. Decker was Detroit’s 2nd highest graded player on PFF (81.9). The headline in Tribune after the game says it all: “Bears, Leonard Floyd fighting the frustration of his stunted development.”
DoddPower
8 years ago

I agree, we need 1 more pass rusher and 2 would be better. But, I don't get the negativity on Fackrell, what on earth do you expect from a 3rd round rookie?

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



I don't have anything against the guy, I just don't think he's the answer in any way to the Packers pass rush issues. Hopefully he will be solid depth, but I simply don't think he will be anything more than that.

PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
As long as it would be a reason able contract I would not be upset. But I doubt he is the answer to any of our issues. He would be more depth for an edge rush but I don't see him as a good fit, he would be very part time or playing out of position. We need another pass rushing DT.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
DoddPower
8 years ago

As long as it would be a reason able contract I would not be upset. But I doubt he is the answer to any of our issues. He would be more depth for an edge rush but I don't see him as a good fit, he would be very part time or playing out of position. We need another pass rushing DT.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I think his natural position is a 3-4 OLB, no? He has been playing out of position recently.
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

I think his natural position is a 3-4 OLB, no? He has been playing out of position recently.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I think he is more of a DE than an OLB. Reminds me of Kampmann.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
Zero2Cool
8 years ago
Pass. He's just a name people are enamored with. He's not worth signing.
UserPostedImage
Barfarn
8 years ago
PFWT's observation might be valid.

But, Dodd is correct, Barwin has had great success as OLB, then last year Philly Hired Schwarz as D. coord., who is a 4-3 guy. Barwin played RDE and didn't do so well paying out of a 3-point stance mostly as a wide 9.

He's visiting Cincy, where he played college ball.
Fan Shout
dfosterf (18-Aug) : We do have good depth at running back imo. Still so frustrating. Bitching about it is a futile excercise, which I plan to do anyway.
Mucky Tundra (17-Aug) : Whoops, I thought Zero was saying it was a surprise the Brewers lost and not Lloyd being hurt
Mucky Tundra (17-Aug) : Not a surprise; inevitable
Zero2Cool (17-Aug) : Brewers streak ends at 14
Zero2Cool (17-Aug) : SURPRISE
Mucky Tundra (17-Aug) : @mattschneidman Matt LaFleur on MarShawn Lloyd: “He’s gonna miss some time.”
Mucky Tundra (16-Aug) : CLIFFORD WITH THE TD WITH UNDER 2 TO GO!!!!!
Zero2Cool (16-Aug) : 90 MINUTES UNTIL FAKE KICKOFF!!
Martha Careful (16-Aug) : I think Ruven is a bot, but regardless should be stricken from the site.
Zero2Cool (14-Aug) : Packers RB Josh Jacobs ranked No. 33 in NFL 'Top 100'
dfosterf (13-Aug) : The LVN Musgrave collision- Andy Herman said Musgrave seemed to be the one most impacted injury-wise
dfosterf (13-Aug) : a lower back injury
dfosterf (13-Aug) : Doubs says he's "fine" after injury scare. Some reported it as z
Mucky Tundra (13-Aug) : With LVN that is; need to see what happens in the next practice
Mucky Tundra (13-Aug) : beast, reading about what happened, it sounded like one of those "two guys collide and are moving slow afterwards" type of deals
beast (12-Aug) : I believe Musgrave has been injured every single season since at least a Sophomore in highschool
packerfanoutwest (12-Aug) : Matt LaFleur: “Highly unlikely” Jordan Love plays more this preseason
dfosterf (12-Aug) : Doubs, Savion Williams, LVN, Musgrave all banged up to one degree or another, missing one here I forget
Zero2Cool (12-Aug) : RB Tyrion Davis-Price is signing with the Green Bay Packers.
Zero2Cool (12-Aug) : zero help, dominated. preseason
beast (12-Aug) : QB Jordan Love has surgery
beast (12-Aug) : Martha said Morgan had a lot of help, I didn't watch the OL so I can't say.
Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Packers LT Jordan Morgan did not allow a single pressure across 23 pass-blocking snaps vs. Jets last night, per PFF
Mucky Tundra (10-Aug) : With buckeye and the reasonable couple, we're currently sitting at 10
buckeyepackfan (10-Aug) : Just posted to re-up on our FFL.
Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : If healthy after, then thats all I care. Well, no drops would be nice
wpr (10-Aug) : I made it through the 1st Q.
dfosterf (10-Aug) : Just gotta figure out how.
dfosterf (10-Aug) : Could have been a worse start, so there is that.
beast (10-Aug) : Yeah, someone tell the Packers football season has started, seems like they weren't ready for it
Mucky Tundra (10-Aug) : Sooooooo many penalties
Mucky Tundra (10-Aug) : It may only be preseason, but this game is a trip to the dentist
Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Packers do bad -- FREAK OUT!!!!!!
Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Packers do good -- eh only preseason
dfosterf (10-Aug) : Well that half was fun
Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Great, zayne is down
Zero2Cool (9-Aug) : 13 minutes away from kickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkoffff
Zero2Cool (9-Aug) : Had Celebration of Life for my uncle up north. wicked rain hope it dont come south
Mucky Tundra (9-Aug) : THE GREEN BAY PACKERS ARE PLAYING FOOTBALL TONIGHT!!!!!! THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!!
Zero2Cool (9-Aug) : Woo-hoo
TheKanataThrilla (9-Aug) : NFL Network is broadcasting the game tonight, but not in Canada. Not sure why as no local television is showing the game.
beast (8-Aug) : But the Return from IR designations had to be applied by the 53 man cutdown.
beast (8-Aug) : It's a new rule, so it's not clear, but my understanding was that they could be IR'd at any time
Mucky Tundra (8-Aug) : *had to be IRed at 53
Mucky Tundra (8-Aug) : beast, I thought the designate return from IR players had to be IR at cutdowns to 53, not before
beast (8-Aug) : It's a brand new rule, either last season or this season, prior, all pre-season IRs were done for the season
beast (8-Aug) : But the Packers would have to use one for their return from IR spots on him, when they cut down to 53.
beast (8-Aug) : I think the NFL recently changed the IR rules, so maybe the season might not be over for OL Glover.
Zero2Cool (8-Aug) : Packers star Howton, first NFLPA prez, dies at 95 😔
dfosterf (8-Aug) : Apparently it is too complicated for several to follow your simple instructions, but I digress
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
19m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Honista apk

14h / Fantasy Sports Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

19-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

18-Aug / Around The NFL / isaiah

18-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

17-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

17-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

16-Aug / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / beast

15-Aug / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

13-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

12-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

12-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

12-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

12-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.