Barfarn
  • Barfarn
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8 years ago
The Bennett deal will have a cap around 5M in 2017, which will leave us about 18.7M to spend.

Though I think that'll cost us our 5th rnd comp pick.

Cook's agent screwed up big time as Steve said. This is really really good. I cant imagine any team paying more than what GB was offering to Cook [3-4M per]. This is the type of thing that can end an agent's career if he doesn't have solid track record. The agent needs to save face and he can do this by back-loading a 3-4M per deal with some huge numbers to bring average up and, of course, Cook will never see it. If the back-loading gets Cook's deal up to 6M per; then we'll get the comp pick back we lost for signing Bennett. And if Cooks deal is, EG, 30M for 5 years with 18M in last 2 years, that could net a 4th rounder.

Best case: We get Bennett for Cook [huge upgrade] and trade our 5th comp pick for a 4th!
nerdmann
8 years ago

I think what I said was if we JUST resign our own we don't get better. Sure we can get better by drafting youngsters and them developing into studs. The issue is, you have to hit on them and they have to fall into the positions where we need to improve.

If you look at draft history, getting 3 starters out of a draft class is an excellent draft. With 22 starters offense and defense it would take over 7 drafts to fill a team with drafted starters at every position. Assuming you don't lose any to injury and none of them were in positions where the team already had the starters. I'm pretty sure, no team has ever been that successful and lucky in the draft. Drafting and developing is a good strategy to build a team, but eventually you get to a point where all you are doing is maintaining. Drafting new players into the depth to replace players you drafted just a few years ago. At that point you can no longer just draft the best players, you need to draft need and that has even lower success rates.

Ted needs to keep drafting to keep the youth and talent in the development pool. But this team is past the stage where you can expect any drastic improvement just from the draft. Select players need to be brought into positions of need through FA.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



We get better by standing pat if our players continue to ascend, as I expect several to do, including Fackrell and the two young CBs, Randall and Rollins. Gunter too really.

Then add Brice and Evans into that scenario. Dorleant. I bet one of those guys emerges. On the DL we lose Pennell and possibly Guion but Lowry emerged last year and Price looks to be ascending.

Still, it'd be nice to get some guys.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Cheesey
8 years ago



And Yooper we're not treading water. We're treading water only during the FA period, while so many other GMs are drowning. You dont have to out run the bear; you only have to out run the person your with.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



Problem is, we proved last season we can't "outrun the bear" OR "the person you are with". The Falcons were running with us, and outran us (more like ran us over) on their way to outrunning the bear.
In our crummy division we were best last year. But we have to beat the best teams in the NFC to get to a super bowl.
We don't just have to outrun the bear in our own division, we have to out run ALL the bears in the NFL.
If you don't make serious upgrades in our team, we won't be able to do that.
Free agency is a chance to do that. Other teams have proven to do that in free agency. We could to, if Ted gets off his wallet and proves that winning another super bowl is the goal. Not just the "bottom line" as far as making money.
The clock is ticking on Aaron Rodgers. The chances of us getting a third HOF QB is almost impossible to do. So NOW is the time to go for it!

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Barfarn
  • Barfarn
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8 years ago
Cap space: 39M
Perry -6M
Bennett -3.4M
Kendricks -1M [estimated]
Barclay -800K
Draft -2M
Bank for season -7M
Cap space left to spend: 18.8M


Added Picks [Max we can get is 4]:
Cook?
Lang 5th rounder [Estimate]
Solid 5th round-Hyde**
Solid 5th round-Tretter
Borderline 7th Round-Peppers*

Picks subtracted from added picks:
Borderline 4th/5th-Bennett**
Kendricks doesn’t count against comp pick formula


*Peppers signed a 1 yr 3.5M deal- Only 32 Comp picks are awarded to the 32 largest FA loses by contract not offset by the teams singing other FAs. This year’s #31 went to Denver for Mathis [1 yr 4M] and #32 went to Denver for Bruton [3yrs 9M]. So Peppers 3.5 last year would have been #32, it might not be next year.

** I was too exuberant on Hyde’s deal based on deals of years past. This year the last 4th rounder went to Indy for the Fleener loss [7.2M per] and first 5th rounder went to Cincy for Sanu loss [6.5M]. So Hyde’s 6M will probably be a solid 5th. If Bennett’s deal is 7M per and he plays well it will probably cancel a 4th rounder if we get one, or if we don’t, it’ll cancel one of the 5th rnd pick. If Bennett’s deal is 6.2M per, then he’ll only cancel a 4th.
Barfarn
  • Barfarn
  • Senior Member Topic Starter
8 years ago
Cap space: 39M
Perry -6M
Bennett -3.4M
Kendricks -1M [estimated]
Barclay -600K
Draft -2M
Bank for season -7M
Cap space left to spend: 19.0M


Added Picks [Max we can get is 4]:
3rd rounder-Lang***
Solid 5th round-Hyde**
Solid 5th round-Tretter
Borderline 7th Round-Peppers*
Cook?
Lacy?
Jones?

Picks subtracted from added picks:
Borderline 4th/5th-Bennett** [This will not cancel a higher round pick]
Kendricks doesn’t count against comp pick formula


*Peppers signed a 1 yr 3.5M deal- Only 32 Comp picks are awarded to the 32 largest FA loses by contract not offset by the teams singing other FAs. This year’s #31 went to Denver for Mathis [1 yr 4M] and #32 went to Denver for Bruton [3yrs 9M]. So Peppers 3.5 last year would have been #32, it might not be next year.

** I was too exuberant on Hyde’s deal based on deals of years past. This year the last 4th rounder went to Indy for the Fleener loss [7.2M per] and first 5th rounder went to Cincy for Sanu loss [6.5M]. So Hyde’s 6M will probably be a solid 5th. If Bennett’s deal is 7M per and he plays well it will probably cancel a 4th rounder if we get one, or if we don’t, it’ll cancel one of the 5th rnd pick. If Bennett’s deal is 6.2M per, then he’ll only cancel a 4th.

***Lang’s contract is 9.5M per. Losses of: Snacks [Jets-9.25M per]; Irvin [Seattle-9.25M per]; Beachum [Pitt-9M per]; Sean Smith [KC-9.5M per]; Mack [Browns- 9M per] all netted a 3rd round Comp pick. We’re getting a 3rd for Lang!
Barfarn
  • Barfarn
  • Senior Member Topic Starter
8 years ago
Cap space: 39M
Perry -6M
House -3.0M
Bennett -3.4M
Kendricks -1.3M
Elliot -1.1M
Barclay -600K
Draft -2M
Bank for season -7M
Cap space left to spend: 14.6M


Added Picks [Max we can get is 4]:
3rd rounder-Lang***
Solid 5th round-Hyde**
Solid 5th round-Tretter
Solid 5th round-Lacy
Borderline 7th round-Jones*
Borderline 7th round-Peppers*
Cook?


Picks subtracted from added picks:
Borderline 4th/5th-Bennett** [This will not cancel a higher round pick]
Kendricks, House don’t count against comp pick formula


*Peppers signed a 1 yr 3.5M deal- Only 32 Comp picks are awarded to the 32 largest FA loses by contract not offset by the teams singing other FAs. This year’s #31 went to Denver for Mathis [1 yr 4M] and #32 went to Denver for Bruton [3yrs 9M]. So Jones 3.75M last year would have been #32, and Peppers 3.5M would have been #33, they might or might not be next year.

** I was too exuberant on Hyde’s deal based on deals of years past. This year the last 4th rounder went to Indy for the Fleener loss [7.2M per] and first 5th rounder went to Cincy for Sanu loss [6.5M]. So Hyde’s 6M will probably be a solid 5th. If Bennett’s deal is 7M per and he plays well it will probably cancel a 4th rounder if we get one, or if we don’t, it’ll cancel one of the 5th rnd pick. If Bennett’s deal is 6.2M per, then he’ll only cancel a 4th.

***Lang’s contract is 9.5M per. Losses of: Snacks [Jets-9.25M per]; Irvin [Seattle-9.25M per]; Beachum [Pitt-9M per]; Sean Smith [KC-9.5M per]; Mack [Browns- 9M per] all netted a 3rd round Comp pick. We’re getting a 3rd for Lang!
yooperfan
8 years ago
I find it disturbing that Thompson found it necessary to sign an RFA fullback while the defense goes mostly ignored.
But this is Turd Thompson at the helm.
This guy was such an important piece of the puzzle that I can't even remember his name although I just read it this morning.
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