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What I don't like is: Rodgers had guys open short, and almost never threw to the open guy. Then ended up throwing into triple coverage. Does he NOT see the RB that is 5 yards down field, with no one within 10 yards? Better to take a 5 or 6 yard positive play then a no gain play.
I've seen this all season so far, and I don't get WHY he doesn't hit the check down.
Does anyone else here see this, or am I missing something?
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What I don't like is: Rodgers had guys open short, and almost never threw to the open guy. Then ended up throwing into triple coverage. Does he NOT see the RB that is 5 yards down field, with no one within 10 yards? Better to take a 5 or 6 yard positive play then a no gain play.
I've seen this all season so far, and I don't get WHY he doesn't hit the check down.
Does anyone else here see this, or am I missing something?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



You are not alone. Nerd has been calling Rodgers out on this for years.
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DarkaneRules
8 years ago
At this point I'm going to let Aaron do his thing. It's his team and when he starts costing us games on a consistent basis, then we'll see what happens, but for now, we keep seeming to win, so let's ride this thing out.
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At this point I'm going to let Aaron do his thing. It's his team and when he starts costing us games on a consistent basis, then we'll see what happens, but for now, we keep seeming to win, so let's ride this thing out.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



Go back and watch some games from last year.
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8 years ago

What I don't like is: Rodgers had guys open short, and almost never threw to the open guy. Then ended up throwing into triple coverage. Does he NOT see the RB that is 5 yards down field, with no one within 10 yards? Better to take a 5 or 6 yard positive play then a no gain play.
I've seen this all season so far, and I don't get WHY he doesn't hit the check down.
Does anyone else here see this, or am I missing something?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Yep, this has been an ongoing discussion for quite some time. Sometimes it is hard to even watch the offense because I see an open guy underneath - but Rodgers runs around in circles in the backfield only to launch the ball to a well covered receiver. It is great to make a few deep pass attempts, but it shouldn't be every set of downs.

The other side of this is some don't understand that deep routes are important to keep the underneath guys from being blanketed. It is surprising what pulling even just one defender deep can do when you need to move the chains. Again, rather than using this to our advantage - we see too many deep throws that could have otherwise gone for a first down.
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I don't think there is a Packer fan alive who didn't love that first drive. I know I sure did. however, as Spof, or was it Wes , pointed out we went 4/4 on third downs during that drive. That's not gonna happen all the time. Take away one of them and the drive stalls.

That is playing the IF game though and its not really what I wanted to say about that drive. Its almost as if the drive took too long and was too efficient. We had the ball for 9 minutes and scored 1 TD. Usually with 9 minutes of possession time the Packers have had 3 possessions and at least three long bombs. That's a chance for 3 TDs not 1. Of course it usually only goes for 1 TD (if we are lucky) and a couple of 3 and outs but that's not the point. The point is we usually have a chance to get 3 TDs in those 9 minutes, not just 1.
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8 years ago

This easily could've been a 3TD day for Rodgers. The stats don't say it, but he wasn't horrible. Remember the TD to Cobb that was called back, Nelson dropped one that led to an INT, and Richard Rodgers dropped a perfect pass.

Of course, against NYG's depleted secondary, more should've been done.

Both Cobb and Adams had good performances. I still don't know why Abbrederis hasn't seen the field. Even Janis was in on a play.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



One INT was on Jordy. Another potential INT was dropped by the Giants.

The Pack blew three TDs by my count (Davante not set, Richard Rodgers with an uncharacteristic drop, and Starks dropping a screen with two linemen and daylight in front of him).

By this count, if our player make the catches they should, Rodgers should have had 5TDs and 1 pick ideally. If Giants catch his other errant throws than it would be 5TDs and 3 INTs. Either way, he did play better than his final stat line. I think the stagnation is more related to drops and bland play calling than the demise of Rodgers.
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Yep, this has been an ongoing discussion for quite some time. Sometimes it is hard to even watch the offense because I see an open guy underneath - but Rodgers runs around in circles in the backfield only to launch the ball to a well covered receiver. It is great to make a few deep pass attempts, but it shouldn't be every set of downs.

The other side of this is some don't understand that deep routes are important to keep the underneath guys from being blanketed. It is surprising what pulling even just one defender deep can do when you need to move the chains. Again, rather than using this to our advantage - we see too many deep throws that could have otherwise gone for a first down.

Originally Posted by: hardrocker950 



Problem is, people have been making excuses for him and allowing him to get away with it for so long that it has become just the natural way he does things. It's gonna be an uphill battle to get him to adhere once again to fundamentals, especially now that he has the Superstar Diva mentality.

It's like the Bert Favor situation, all over again.
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8 years ago

Yep, this has been an ongoing discussion for quite some time. Sometimes it is hard to even watch the offense because I see an open guy underneath - but Rodgers runs around in circles in the backfield only to launch the ball to a well covered receiver. It is great to make a few deep pass attempts, but it shouldn't be every set of downs.

The other side of this is some don't understand that deep routes are important to keep the underneath guys from being blanketed. It is surprising what pulling even just one defender deep can do when you need to move the chains. Again, rather than using this to our advantage - we see too many deep throws that could have otherwise gone for a first down.

Originally Posted by: hardrocker950 



One thing to remember is none of us fans know what play was called and what his progressions are supposed to be on the play. Not only do receivers need to get open, they need to get open at the right time for the play design. With video start to finish of a play we can make "educated guess" on what we think was supposed to happen.
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One thing to remember is none of us fans know what play was called and what his progressions are supposed to be on the play. Not only do receivers need to get open, they need to get open at the right time for the play design. With video start to finish of a play we can make "educated guess" on what we think was supposed to happen.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



There is some truth to this, especially when one considers the GB playbook often calls for variations of the routes depending on what the D does post snap. But, for the most part, this is wrong!

If one really takes the time to WATCH the play, frame by frame sometimes, we can have a real good idea why a play did not work or narrow the culprits to 1 or 2 guys.

In my recap of NY game, I spoke of how Janis effed up a route on a deep pass to Jordy. The next day Butler said the same thing on X and Os. I initially thought Rodgers threw into double coverage, but then I WATCHED THE PLAY.

And we may not know what the progressions were supposed to be; but when the play is over we can tell what each receiver thought their read was in the play. And if the WRs all run their routes correctly, it is very easy to spot the progressions. When one WR screws up, it's usually pretty evident because his movements make no sense with respect to the other receivers.
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One thing to remember is none of us fans know what play was called and what his progressions are supposed to be on the play. Not only do receivers need to get open, they need to get open at the right time for the play design. With video start to finish of a play we can make "educated guess" on what we think was supposed to happen.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Interesting statistics from this Giants game:

Aaron Rodgers QB rating when getting the ball out in UNDER 2.5: 103.2

Aaron Rodgers QB rating when getting the ball out in OVER 2.5: 40.9
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8 years ago

Interesting statistics from this Giants game:

Aaron Rodgers QB rating when getting the ball out in UNDER 2.5: 103.2

Aaron Rodgers QB rating when getting the ball out in OVER 2.5: 40.9

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



So when receivers are open the passing rating is better.

Fascinating.
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So when receivers are open the passing rating is better.

Fascinating.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Yeah, Aaron never holds the ball unnecessarily. Thanks for your input.
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hardrocker950
8 years ago

One thing to remember is none of us fans know what play was called and what his progressions are supposed to be on the play. Not only do receivers need to get open, they need to get open at the right time for the play design. With video start to finish of a play we can make "educated guess" on what we think was supposed to happen.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



This is true - I don't know what the play calls are. Nobody does outside of the team and staff. That being said, something somewhere is broken. The thing about all of this that confuses me - the first drive was well executed, but then we see things revert back to the mediocre bullshit.

It can be argued that the call may be to look for the deep route, but I am doubting that Mike is specifically telling Aaron to force the ball down the field regardless of whether the receiver is open or not. If this doesn't change - this team is nowhere near winning a championship.
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This is true - I don't know what the play calls are. Nobody does outside of the team and staff. That being said, something somewhere is broken. The thing about all of this that confuses me - the first drive was well executed, but then we see things revert back to the mediocre bullshit.

It can be argued that the call may be to look for the deep route, but I am doubting that Mike is specifically telling Aaron to force the ball down the field regardless of whether the receiver is open or not. If this doesn't change - this team is nowhere near winning a championship.

Originally Posted by: hardrocker950 



Bert Favor used to change the play in order to do his own thing. Dunno if that's what's happening now.
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Interesting statistics from this Giants game:

Aaron Rodgers QB rating when getting the ball out in UNDER 2.5: 103.2

Aaron Rodgers QB rating when getting the ball out in OVER 2.5: 40.9

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Rodgers has great accuracy; but misses easy throws. It just like a WR with great hands dropping a pass because he's thinking of running or getting hit instead of focusing solely on the catch.

Under 2.5 seconds Rodgers knows the rush cant get him, so he focuses more solely on the throw.

After 2.5 seconds his focus is more split on something causing more inaccuracy. My guess is the pass rush.

He's shown he is absolutely unwilling to deliver a big throw standing in the pocket with a possible impending hit coming.
DarkaneRules
8 years ago
He wants to play longer and not take the big hits, but the "little" ones add up too. We'll see what happens...
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

This is true - I don't know what the play calls are. Nobody does outside of the team and staff. That being said, something somewhere is broken. The thing about all of this that confuses me - the first drive was well executed, but then we see things revert back to the mediocre bullshit.

It can be argued that the call may be to look for the deep route, but I am doubting that Mike is specifically telling Aaron to force the ball down the field regardless of whether the receiver is open or not. If this doesn't change - this team is nowhere near winning a championship.

Originally Posted by: hardrocker950 



Just my opinion, but I think it is McCarthy's offensive philosophy. How many times have we heard him and Aaron say. We look for the matchups. Example, there was a play where they got Cobb covered by a LBer. Obvious mismatch so that is where the ball went. Problem is when they see that mismatch, they don't follow the play's progressions and if the defense happens to do something unexpected, or the defender does his job and has that route covered, it is to late to go through the progressions and we end up in the scramble drill.

Need to get back to the basics of calling a play, throwing to the first open guy in the progression. And using plays to setup future plays. Remember the days of running 3,4,5,6 slants in order to get one SLUGO.

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Interesting statistics from this Giants game:

Aaron Rodgers QB rating when getting the ball out in UNDER 2.5: 103.2

Aaron Rodgers QB rating when getting the ball out in OVER 2.5: 40.9

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



When he has time his mind automatically changes to "go for it all mode" Give him time and he is looking to go deep trying to force it even if everyone is covered instead of throwing it to the short guy who is open. He has a home run mentality now more than ever and I don't know if it will change.

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