Zero2Cool
8 years ago
I heard the Clinton's accepted money from some areas that are let's say no really women friendly. I did some poking around and it is a true. You can see on their foundation's website. Kingdom of Saudi Arabia 

It's true they accepted between $10 million and $25 million from Saudi Arabia, but the things below that women cannot do I am not certain on.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/60339/eleven-things-women-in-saudi-arabia-cant-do 

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  • Go anywhere without a chaperone
  • Drive a car
  • Wear clothes or make-up that "show off their beauty"
  • Interact with men
  • Go for a swim
  • Compete freely in sports
  • Try on clothes when shopping
  • Entering a cemetery
  • Reading an uncensored fashion magazine
  • Buying a Barbie[/list]



  • What's the point? I really don't know and I'm sure we can say "as if you'd turn down $10+ million regardless of it's source", but I just don't know how you can be advocating for Women's Rights while taking money from Countries that disallow women having even what we feel are common basic rights.
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    wpr
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    8 years ago
    I think the vast majority of politicians get funds from sources that will make people wonder why.

    I thought Saudi was a "little" more liberal in their social reform than other Muslim nations. I thought I read a couple of years ago that women can drive a car. But only alone or with other women. They can't drive men. And I don't know about children.

    While they officially can't have fashion magazines and the like if they don't create a scene they can have them.

    It's a long way from the West but better than Iraq.
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    wpr
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    8 years ago
    Oh I have been to a few Muslim funerals. (Yugoslav and Albanian Muslims not Mid Eastern Muslims.)
    I stood way in the back. Someone come over and stand right next to me. I more or less kept my head bowed and arms folded at my waste. When I was allowed to pay my respects he came with me.

    When I went in I asked one of the men in charge if I was allowed to be there and thanked him and the others standing by him for letting me offer my respects. Typically the man I spoke to was the man who was collecting money for the decease's family. More times than not the money was used to take them back to their home village to be buried.

    Women are not allowed to go to cemeteries and almost never to funerals because they are "too fragile" so to speak. They will cry too much and might pass out or something like that.
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    Rockmolder
    8 years ago

    I think the vast majority of politicians get funds from sources that will make people wonder why.

    I thought Saudi was a "little" more liberal in their social reform than other Muslim nations. I thought I read a couple of years ago that women can drive a car. But only alone or with other women. They can't drive men. And I don't know about children.

    While they officially can't have fashion magazines and the like if they don't create a scene they can have them.

    It's a long way from the West but better than Iraq.

    Originally Posted by: wpr 



    I agree. Without knowing intentions, it's hard to really form a strong opinion about the matter. It could be to further western ideals or just because there's a whole lot of money and trade opportunity over there, women's rights be damned.

    My guess would be on the second one, though.

    Cheesey
    8 years ago
    It doesn't surprise me.
    The Clintons are rich people, who act like they are poor so that they can "buy" the lower class vote.

    It's kind of funny.....in a sad way. You hear constantly from the left how horrible Donald Trump is as far as his dealings with women. Yet they ignore how Bill Clinton treated women (like Monica Lewinsky)SP? when he was actually "on the job" (pardon the pun) in the White House.
    We heard over and over how "that was his personal life, and had nothing to do with how he was doing as president".
    Yet Trump is attacked. I don't know if what has been said about Trump is true or not. All I am saying is that it is a double standard. If you are going to hold republicans responsible for their actions, then you should hold democrats to the same standards. If you are willing to ignore what the guy (or woman) is doing, or has done, then you can't attack the other side for the same indiscretions.

    Or am I wrong about that?

    Hillary accepting money from a anti woman country is wrong. But as usual, "the end justifies the means" for some.

    I really don't see any real positive solution as far as this up coming election goes. I'm not thrilled with EITHER side.
    I'm getting sick and tired of having to vote for "the lesser of two evils".

    As many voted for Obama simply because of the color of his skin, many will vote for Hillary because of her gender. And that is just another thing that is so sad about today's United States.
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    DakotaT
    8 years ago

    It doesn't surprise me.
    The Clintons are rich people, who act like they are poor so that they can "buy" the lower class vote.

    It's kind of funny.....in a sad way. You hear constantly from the left how horrible Donald Trump is as far as his dealings with women. Yet they ignore how Bill Clinton treated women (like Monica Lewinsky)SP? when he was actually "on the job" (pardon the pun) in the White House.
    We heard over and over how "that was his personal life, and had nothing to do with how he was doing as president".
    Yet Trump is attacked. I don't know if what has been said about Trump is true or not. All I am saying is that it is a double standard. If you are going to hold republicans responsible for their actions, then you should hold democrats to the same standards. If you are willing to ignore what the guy (or woman) is doing, or has done, then you can't attack the other side for the same indiscretions.

    Or am I wrong about that?

    Hillary accepting money from a anti woman country is wrong. But as usual, "the end justifies the means" for some.

    I really don't see any real positive solution as far as this up coming election goes. I'm not thrilled with EITHER side.
    I'm getting sick and tired of having to vote for "the lesser of two evils".

    As many voted for Obama simply because of the color of his skin, many will vote for Hillary because of her gender. And that is just another thing that is so sad about today's United States.

    Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



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    That's some of the dumbest shit I've read on this forum yet, and that goes a long way. Most of it is just right wing regurgitation, but it's the last sentence that caught my attention.

    Obama landslided two elections because of the ineptness of his opponents.

    And isn't just like a Repug to go defending poor little ole Donald Trump, the most shit-slinging politician in the history of American politics. Jesus Christ, Cheesy, quit watching TV and start reading something, anything, you're a walking programmed moron voting against your financial interests.
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    PackFanWithTwins
    8 years ago
    If I wanted to care about money with the Clinton foundation, it would be about how much goes to help people and how much goes to "other". But even if we believe the numbers 75million given to causes, is better than zero. Will I ever give to them, heck no, I have much better places to give that I know helps people more.

    If a person is swayed on who to vote for by campaign talking points and commercials, we would be better of if they didn't vote. When I don't vote for Hillary, it won't be because of where money came from. It won't be because he husband is a dufass. It will because I do not believe she would be good for the country.
    The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
    Zero2Cool
    8 years ago

    If I wanted to care about money with the Clinton foundation, it would be about how much goes to help people and how much goes to "other". But even if we believe the numbers 75million given to causes, is better than zero. Will I ever give to them, heck no, I have much better places to give that I know helps people more.

    If a person is swayed on who to vote for by campaign talking points and commercials, we would be better of if they didn't vote. When I don't vote for Hillary, it won't be because of where money came from. It won't be because he husband is a dufass. It will because I do not believe she would be good for the country.

    Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



    What's always been a turn off for me in politics is hearing one candidate telling us what the other can't do and won't do rather than telling us why they themselves are worth our vote. It's always putting the other person down below them, rather than talking themselves up.

    I'm not sure what value where the money funded to them matters, if at all. I was more surprised how easily it was found on their own foundation website. Not sure what I expected, lol.

    As for voting. I think the majority of Trump votes are going to be votes against Hillary, more so than votes for Trump.
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    Wade
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    8 years ago
    My recommendation is to write in "None of the Above."

    A vote for the lesser of two evils is, by definition, a vote for evil.

    I don't know about anyone else, but my moral conscience tells me that voting for evil is wrong. The country may be going to hell in a handbasket, but some of us -- the Christians, anyway -- need to say, "Hell, no, I won't go."

    You don't save the American experiment by voting for those who you believe will continue its corruption. You either vote for someone who you believe will reverse the trend, or you take action that shows your non-support.

    To me, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution explain what the federal state is for (and what it is *not* for). None of the remaining Presidential candidates offered by the Democrats or the Republicans to my mind give a rat's ass for what either document says in clear English. Neither of the major parties deserve an affirmative vote from you at this moment in our history; and if you vote for any of them, you are saying that they do. You are giving them the consent of the governed. And you'll get what you deserve.

    You don't get to go to a whorehouse and then blame the prostitute when you get the clap.

    Barring something miraculous happening next month in Cleveland or Philadelphia, my choice is made. And, unlike the other two times I opted for the NOTA option in a presidential election, this one wasn't even difficult.

    Vote "no."





    And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
    Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
    PackFanWithTwins
    8 years ago

    My recommendation is to write in "None of the Above."

    A vote for the lesser of two evils is, by definition, a vote for evil.

    I don't know about anyone else, but my moral conscience tells me that voting for evil is wrong. The country may be going to hell in a handbasket, but some of us -- the Christians, anyway -- need to say, "Hell, no, I won't go."

    You don't save the American experiment by voting for those who you believe will continue its corruption. You either vote for someone who you believe will reverse the trend, or you take action that shows your non-support.

    Originally Posted by: Wade 



    While I can somewhat understand your logic, I can't agree with you. Almost every decision we make in life is based on which we prefer more or dislike less. the only candidate I would ever be able to say I agree with 100% of the time would be if I was running. I will disagree with every other candidate on something or other. Trump wasn't my choice for GOP candidates and I am not sure how much I can trust him. But the chance of less evil is worth a shot over more evil.

    Unless you can honestly look at yourself and say, "I dislike both options the exact same amount", one of the options is a better choice. I don't believe that the Christian way is to sit back and not make a choice, it is to make the best choice possible and work to improve the choices we have in the future.
    The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
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