voiceofreason
9 years ago
Rodgers getting benched is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. He is the most efficient QB statistically in the history of the modern NFL. If you want him benched after a few sub par games, you must have wanted Favre benched a plethora of times throughout his first ballot hall of fame career.
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9 years ago

Rodgers getting benched is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. He is the most efficient QB statistically in the history of the modern NFL. If you want him benched after a few sub par games, you must have wanted Favre benched a plethora of times throughout his first ballot hall of fame career.

Originally Posted by: voiceofreason 



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mi_keys
9 years ago
It's one thing to criticize Rodgers for his mistakes. There have been more than his fair share to point out these past six weeks. It's another entirely to state, as fact, with little to no basis to do so, that Tolzein would have committed none of those errors or to assume he would have matched Rodgers on every play that was executed correctly. It's also absurd to blame only Rodgers for these issues when one of the specific examples you gave involved a ball going through a receiver's hands, bad throw notwithstanding.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

hopefully all you guys are just kidding !! aint no way the pack is ever gonna go anywhere with tolzien, aaron will be around for a great # of more years and if he gets hurt thats the only way he will be replaced, it would be by hopefully hundley not tolzien !!

Originally Posted by: nyrpack 



I'd take Tolzien over Dilfer, and Dilfer won a SB.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

Rodgers getting benched is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. He is the most efficient QB statistically in the history of the modern NFL. If you want him benched after a few sub par games, you must have wanted Favre benched a plethora of times throughout his first ballot hall of fame career.

Originally Posted by: voiceofreason 



I was calling for Bert to be benched in the '07 NFCCG.

Ask anyone who was there with me. I saw Bert on the sideline and I was like TOO COLD FOR YOU BERT? GO WARM UP IN THE LOCKER ROOM. How'd that game turn out, anyway?
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voiceofreason
9 years ago

I was calling for Bert to be benched in the '07 NFCCG.

Ask anyone who was there with me. I saw Bert on the sideline and I was like TOO COLD FOR YOU BERT? GO WARM UP IN THE LOCKER ROOM. How'd that game turn out, anyway?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yeah bro I was too, Rodgers proved himself to me earlier in the season when he took over for an injured Favre against Dallas and nearly dug us out of 21 point hole Favre created with carelessness. Aaron Rodgers passer rating at this point in the season is 97.3 his career average is 105.1. Brett Favre as great as he was and as much as i love him retired with a career passer rating of 86. Rodgers is an unbelievable talent that in my opinion will go down as the greatest of all time barring injury. To even suggest he should be benched for scott tolzien is ridiculous. Tolzien has a career passer rating of 66.8.


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mi_keys
9 years ago

Dilfer won a SB.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Which is exhibit A through Z for quarterbacks getting too much credit/blame for a team's performance.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

Yeah bro I was too, Rodgers proved himself to me earlier in the season when he took over for an injured Favre against Dallas and nearly dug us out of 21 point hole Favre created with carelessness. Aaron Rodgers passer rating at this point in the season is 97.3 his career average is 105.1. Brett Favre as great as he was and as much as i love him retired with a career passer rating of 86. Rodgers is an unbelievable talent that in my opinion will go down as the greatest of all time barring injury. To even suggest he should be benched for scott tolzien is ridiculous. Tolzien has a career passer rating of 66.8.

Originally Posted by: voiceofreason 



Tolzien got that passer rating by being thrust into games without even knowing the offense. Then Mike called predicable plays that Jason Pierre Paul was calling beforehand in the defensive huddle, like the one he pick-sixed.

When Mike was letting Scott throw mid to deep, he actually looked quite good. I disagree that there's no way Scott could have thrown that hail mary. He looks to me like he's got quite good arm strength.

Fact is, with Tolzien, they'd be doing high percentage passing. PRESUMABLY. I guess we can't say for sure. But Aaron hasn't exactly been on target since week 5.
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9 years ago

Rodgers getting benched is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. He is the most efficient QB statistically in the history of the modern NFL. If you want him benched after a few sub par games, you must have wanted Favre benched a plethora of times throughout his first ballot hall of fame career.

Originally Posted by: voiceofreason 



First off, dont get all hysterical, it's important to maintain a voice of reason. The goal is to find a way to get our MVP QB back, not replace him with Tolzein. And AR watching severely less talented Tolzein marching up and down the field by staying in the offense would be just what the DR. ordered. If you think AR is a guy having a bad game or to, then no amount of voicing of reason will help you because you simply are not paying attention TO THE GAME.

Second, applying your reasoning it necessarily follows that you believe: If AR broke his collar bone; Starr, the greatest GB QB of all time, should have started v. Detroit over Tolzein. This reasoning fails because age has caused him not to be the guy he was in the 60's. TODAY, the guy who gives us the best chance is TOLZEIN not Starr. If one argued for Tolzein over Starr, would you be saying, "what a dumb shit...it's obvious Starr is better, look at the way he played in the 60's?" This is the position of reason you've taken! Your missing one very important variable in your AR reasoning: it's effing 2015, week 13, it's not 1966, it's not 2014, it's not 2011. Understand?

Third, Lacy was pretty good too, our best RB in a long time; this must be the second dumbest shit you've ever heard: "benching" Lacy. This was not about missing 1 curfew. It was about a fundamental shift in Lacy's approach to his job from last year to this. They're trying to get him back. Do ya think Lacy has 2 100 yard games in a row, if he was not demoted a few weeks ago? Can you see the difference in the way he ran those 2 games and earlier in the year: night and day! So if we apply your AR reasoning: Lacy is better than Starks, HArris and Crockett, dont bench him, right? Is Lacy better than Crockett, no freakin' way; BUT BUT BUT who was in the best position to play well against Detroit? And I give you my solemn guarantee that if Tolzein played the first 2.5 Quarters v. Detroit; he like Crockett over Lacy would have EASILY outperformed AR.

You got a QB that is REFUSING to operate w/in the game plan. Do ya think the coach that says, "Meh, he's the greatest of all time, he's entitled to do what ever he wants; is a dumb shit? I do." If a lesser QB had done this they'd be CUT not benched, same logic used on Lacy And Harris.

The Favre parallel is spot on; anyone who wants a repeat of those last 8 years is a total Dumbsh!t in my book. Wanting exhilarating QB play over wins and championships is just weird to me. It happened because Peabody and Sherman could not find a way to reign in Favre. One huge difference between Favre and Rodgers is that Favre didn't wear his superiority the way a Brazilian where's their flag to their teams wold cup match.
umair_010
9 years ago
I dont think its fair to compare favre to rodgers as they played in two different eras of football. When favre was playing the rules were different and you were actually allowed to hit the qb.
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