DakotaT
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9 years ago

Sounds like a great idea, and something Ron Wolf might have pulled off.
Thompson, instead, will continue to squander the careers of Aaron Rodgers and Clay Mathews while he endlessly searches for that diamond in the rough.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



It's too bad more posters in this forum don't see this. 2 Lombardis with 30 years of elite quarterback play = epic fail by management.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago
*** split this for it's own discussion because it had absolutely no place where it was and it's something interesting on its own right - I created the title, not dakota so fault me for that, not him ***

It's too bad more posters in this forum don't see this. 2 Lombardis with 30 years of elite quarterback play = epic fail by management.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



The epic failure here is the lack of one doing any sort of research before spouting off. I mean, it's 2015 and to say the Packers have had elite quarterback play since 1985? That is crazy talk! 🤣

Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers overlapped for three years.
Mike Holmgren bailed on the Packers after 1998.
Bob Harlan went against his better judgement and gave GM and HC roles to one person.

Brett wasn't even elite until about 1994 if you wanna be generous and he had some pretty awful seasons. I would say he gave us elite quarterback play in 10 of 16 seasons and again, that is being very generous. He had two GM's and three HC's and several OC's and quarterback coaches.

1992 - 1998: Ron Wolf + Mike Holmgren + Brett Favre
1999: Ron Wolf + Ray Rhodes + Brett Favre
2000: Ron Wolf + Mike Sherman + Brett Favre
2001 - 2004: Ted Thompson + Mike Sherman + Brett Favre
2005: Ted Thompson + Mike Sherman + Brett Favre
2006 - current: Ted Thompson + Mike McCarthy + Aaron Rodgers

That's six different GM+HC+QB combinations over 23 years with 3 super bowl appearances and 2 trophies.

If Holmgren stays around, we have another trophy or two in the case.

The failure was replacing Holmgren with Rhodes and Sherman. That really screwed us over with the benefit of hindsight of course, lol.

You can't say because a QB turned out to be elite that he was elite the moment he donned a uniform. That would be presumptuous.

Brett gave us about 10 elite QB play years, which is a LOT. Aaron Rodgers has given us close to 5 elite years of elite QB play.

That all being said, 15 combined years of having an elite QB and only 2 super bowl trophies just shows how incredibly difficult it is to win a Super Bowl and more reason we should APPRECIATE the success we have instead of being whine-asses about not winning every game of every season.
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Smokey
9 years ago
Over the last 50 seasons, many HOF players never even made it to a SB. Some made it there just once(Dan Moreno, Walter Payton, and many others). Yes, one player can make all the difference, but one player is not a TEAM. Great teams like the 60's Packers, the 70's Steelers, the 80's 49ers, the 90's Cowboys, the 2000's Patriots and even the 72 Dolphins or the 85 Bears won and are remembered because they were more than just one player.

The Packers have been blessed with back to back HOF QB's. I too would like to see them winning more SB's while we remain blessed. IMO, the Packers offense has not been the reason that the Packers have not won more SB's over the last 20+ years.

As someone once said, "Offense wins games, but Defense wins championships".

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greengold
9 years ago

It's too bad more posters in this forum don't see this. 2 Lombardis with 30 years of elite quarterback play = epic fail by management.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good management bashing session.



Smokey
9 years ago

Hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good management bashing session.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



Good Idea, can I be the one to tell Ted Thompson he's fired ? Dan Patrick will be offered the job !
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Poppa San
9 years ago

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The epic failure here is the lack of one doing any sort of research before spouting off. I mean, it's 2015 and to say the Packers have had elite quarterback play since 195? That is crazy talk! Laugh

Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers overlapped for three years.
Mike Holmgren bailed on the Packers in 1998.
Bob Harlan went against his better judgement and gave GM and HC roles to one person.

Brett wasn't even elite until about 1994 if you wanna be generous and he had some pretty awful seasons. I would say he gave us elite quarterback play in 10 of those seasons and again, that is being very generous. He had two GM's and three HC's and several OC's and quarterback coaches.

1992 - 1998: Ron Wolf + Mike Holmgren + Brett Favre
1999: Ron Wolf + Ray Rhodes + Brett Favre
2000: Ron Wolf + Mike Sherman + Brett Favre
2001 - 2004: Ted Thompson + Mike Sherman + Brett Favre
2005: Ted Thompson + Mike Sherman + Brett Favre
2006 - current: Ted Thompson + Mike McCarthy + Brett Favre

That's six different GM+HC+QB combinations over 23 years with 3 super bowl appearances and 2 trophies.

If Holmgren stays around, we have another trophy or two in the case.

The failure was replacing Holmgren with Rhodes and Sherman. That really screwed us over with the benefit of hindsight of course, lol.

You can't say because a QB turned out to be elite that he was elite the moment he donned a uniform. That would be naive.

Brett gave us about 10 elite QB play years, which is a LOT. Aaron Rodgers has given us close to 5 elite years of elite QB play.

That all being said, 15 combined years of having an elite QB and only 2 super bowl trophies just shows how incredibly difficult it is to win a Super Bowl and more reason we should APPRECIATE the success we have instead of being whine-asses about not winning every game of every season.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

  Do you want to take the time to fix your chart of HC, GM, QB's or should I?  As much as some fans would like it, BF is not the current QB.


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nerdmann
9 years ago
The GM isn't what cost us the season last year.

But yeah, we should definitely have more.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

  Do you want to take the time to fix your chart of HC, GM, QB's or should I?  As much as some fans would like it, BF is not the current QB.

Originally Posted by: Poppa San 



lol I was being told a certain little girl wanted to go trick or treating and didn't look over my copy/pasting of the combinations. Oops! 😎
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OlHoss1884
9 years ago
Something to consider when thinking we "should" have more is that it isn't just our team...it's everyone else as well. We might have a great season but someone might get hot in the playoffs, or it might just be anther team's year. Was ANYONE going to stop Seattle a couple years ago? Or the Saints in the year they put it all together? Think about the injuries at the end of the year and in the playoffs in 97. No DL and they have Terrel Davis.

It's a tricky thing to win multiple Super Bowls with the parity in the league over the last couple decades. The best you can do is be in the argument every year, which we pretty much are. A lot has to go right both with our team and with things outside of our control for it all to come together.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

Something to consider when thinking we "should" have more is that it isn't just our team...it's everyone else as well. We might have a great season but someone might get hot in the playoffs, or it might just be anther team's year. Was ANYONE going to stop Seattle a couple years ago? Or the Saints in the year they put it all together? Think about the injuries at the end of the year and in the playoffs in 97. No DL and they have Terrel Davis.

It's a tricky thing to win multiple Super Bowls with the parity in the league over the last couple decades. The best you can do is be in the argument every year, which we pretty much are. A lot has to go right both with our team and with things outside of our control for it all to come together.

Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 



We pissed it away this past January.

Maybe some other teams got hot in previous years. Shit happens. But the shit last season was coming from our own asses.
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