earthquake
9 years ago
Hmm, I think Bart Starr would qualify for best pick in history. 5 championships, 3 Super Bowls, insane post-season record (8-1), picked number #200 overall (17th round!). I think you could make a solid argument for Starr being one of the best picks in history by any team, though Tom Brady probably lands first on that list.

Rodgers is one of the Packer's historically best picks though, can't argue with that.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

Hmm, I think Bart Starr would qualify for best pick in history. 5 championships, 3 Super Bowls, insane post-season record (8-1), picked number #200 overall (17th round!). I think you could make a solid argument for Starr being one of the best picks in history by any team, though Tom Brady probably lands first on that list.

Rodgers is one of the Packer's historically best picks though, can't argue with that.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 



Wouldn't have been shit without Mike to develop him.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago

Wouldn't have been shit without Mike to develop him.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I thought someone might bring up Bart due to his draft position...where he was picked you'd have to say he was the best, but I don't think there's a doubt in the world who the better pure QB is. Starr, unlike Rodgers, played on a great team on both sides of the ball.

We're fortunate to have had both.
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earthquake
9 years ago

I thought someone might bring up Bart due to his draft position...where he was picked you'd have to say he was the best, but I don't think there's a doubt in the world who the better pure QB is. Starr, unlike Rodgers, played on a great team on both sides of the ball.

We're fortunate to have had both.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



That's a valid point. Bart played on a team full of HOFers in an era where the QB wasn't as essential.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

That's a valid point. Bart played on a team full of HOFers in an era where the QB wasn't as essential.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 



They weren't HoFers at the time. Bart made them so by willing them to 5 championships even as they were aging and going into decline.

Sure, the running game was more important back then, but Bart also called his own plays, and btw, he threw INTs more rarely than Aaron Rodgers.

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sschind
9 years ago



he threw INTs more rarely than Aaron Rodgers.

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Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Not even close.

Rodgers has a 1.6% int% and Starr had a 4.4%. Starr was marginally better in the playoffs 1.4 to 1.8.

Starr had some very good years INT wise but he also had years of 10,12,16,10,17 and that was with a max of 14 games played.

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9 years ago

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texaspackerbacker
9 years ago
I'm old enough to remember Bart Starr very well, and he was great in a lot of ways. If you take into consideration where in the draft he was picked, he stands out even more. However, there is absolutely no question here, the indisputable greatest Packer ever drafted has to be Aaron Rodgers.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

I'm old enough to remember Bart Starr very well, and he was great in a lot of ways. If you take into consideration where in the draft he was picked, he stands out even more. However, there is absolutely no question here, the indisputable greatest Packer ever drafted has to be Aaron Rodgers.

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Starr never had the passing rules Aaron Rodgers has. Hence, he also never had the passing weapons Rodgers has.

Starr, Cecil Isbell, Rodgers, Favre.
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Rockmolder
9 years ago

They weren't HoFers at the time. Bart made them so by willing them to 5 championships even as they were aging and going into decline.

Sure, the running game was more important back then, but Bart also called his own plays, and btw, he threw INTs more rarely than Aaron Rodgers.

#FieldGeneral

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Bart MADE them HoFers by willing them to championships. By that logic, the reason that those Packers teams were so dominant is because Bart Starr was willing them to dominance.

Bart Starr was terrific, but he also had a ridiculous supporting cast. A team that you couldn't even get together in this day and age, because of all the parity rules and professionalisation of scouting.

Starr never had the passing rules Aaron Rodgers has. Hence, he also never had the passing weapons Rodgers has.

Starr, Cecil Isbell, Rodgers, Favre.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Sounds like complete gobbledigook to me. Maybe Bart Starr didn't have the favourable rules, but he certainly did have comparable weapons, if not more than that, because of the dominance of that team in every single way. You're right in that you can't really compare these stats from 50 years apart, but your stated cause-effect doesn't make any sense.

And come on, putting Cecil second and Favre, who wasn't actually drafted by the Packers fourth, must be some next level trolling, Nerd.
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