Barfarn
9 years ago
At combine Rodgers ran a 4.87... Finley ran a 4.82.

.05 seconds over 40 yards determines whether a guy can stretch the field? I think not. This can easily be made up by knowing your assignment and having a feel for when the defender to get open. Again a receiver achieves meaningful separation with his mind, not his legs.

Ya gotta watch the game! Dont look at 4o times and build an entire dossier for a player's career. Decide how fast he is by observing how he moves relative to other players. Jordy supposedly ran a 4.51 at the combine; do ya remember Lacey's long screen TD against the Bears and Jordy came zooming up running by everyone to block for Eddie like they were all standing still? Speed is important, Jordy has speed that is not reflected in that 4.51.

Rodgers is an infinitely better route runner and receiver than Finley and he will be a better blocker. Plus Finley was not a cancer in any way, but he was a knucklehead; Rodgers is a man. And if you look at Rodgers' Cal highlights; it is a certainty that he'll be capable to stretch the field as well as Finley.
nerdmann
9 years ago

At combine Rodgers ran a 4.87... Finley ran a 4.82.

.05 seconds over 40 yards determines whether a guy can stretch the field? I think not. This can easily be made up by knowing your assignment and having a feel for when the defender to get open. Again a receiver achieves meaningful separation with his mind, not his legs.

Ya gotta watch the game! Dont look at 4o times and build an entire dossier for a player's career. Decide how fast he is by observing how he moves relative to other players. Jordy supposedly ran a 4.51 at the combine; do ya remember Lacey's long screen TD against the Bears and Jordy came zooming up running by everyone to block for Eddie like they were all standing still? Speed is important, Jordy has speed that is not reflected in that 4.51.

Rodgers is an infinitely better route runner and receiver than Finley and he will be a better blocker. Plus Finley was not a cancer in any way, but he was a knucklehead; Rodgers is a man. And if you look at Rodgers' Cal highlights; it is a certainty that he'll be capable to stretch the field as well as Finley.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



And when the snow is falling and the field is muddy, no one's running a 4.3. You want that steady guy, who can stay on his feet.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
texaspackerbacker
9 years ago
It wouldn't take much to be better than Finley - a large disappointment for the Packers. Richard Rodgers comes with lower expectations, so he's less likely to disappoint. If that = >, then I guess he is.

The less TEs getting snaps the better for the Packers. We should have at least 6 excellent wideouts this season, any one of which I'd much rather see targeted with a pass than Rodgers or Quarless or Finley in his prime for that matter.
Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
buckeyepackfan
9 years ago
Here we go again, for the umpteenth Time about combine numbers.

You play Madden, combine numbers matter.

Want to talk about real football, what matters is technique, the ability to absorb information, take that information to the field and become a cog in the scheme!

Davante Adams said it best in the one article about his progress from year one to year two.

Leading up to the draft all his training was geared toward putting up good combine numbers.

Those numbers got him drafted.

Leading up to this years OTA's, he worked on his techniques, studied the playbook, trained to get in better football shape.

Simply putting it, that jump coaches expect between year one and year two.

R. Rodgers did the same.

Adams really jumped out in the OTA's

Rodgers showed improvement.

IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY FUCKING COMBINE NUMBERS!

As far as RR being better than JF.
He stays healthy and keeps working on his game, he will become just as important a piece of the puzzle That Findley ever was.
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
Zero2Cool
9 years ago

Aaron thought Finley could be one of the all time greats. He was wrong, as usual... I'll bet 12 never says this of RR:

“We're talking about one or two plays. But I think he can be great, and I wouldn't be saying that if I didn't believe he could be one of the greatest tight ends to ever line it up.” --Aaron Rodgers on Jermichael Finley

---From ESPNmilwaukee.com

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



How was Aaron Rodgers wrong? Was he to predict a freak neck injury that would end Jermichael Finley's career? Defenses were scheming around stopping Finley which opened a lot of things on the perimeter. Finley could have had a great career if not for the neck injury and it would immensely naive to ignore his value outside the numbers.
UserPostedImage
uffda udfa
9 years ago

How was Aaron Rodgers wrong? Was he to predict a freak neck injury that would end Jermichael Finley's career? Defenses were scheming around stopping Finley which opened a lot of things on the perimeter. Finley could have had a great career if not for the neck injury and it would immensely naive to ignore his value outside the numbers.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



The last thing I would ever do is ignore Finley's impact outside the numbers. I made a point of that in my initial response to nerd's OP.

I was a huge Finley guy but I recognize that NOBODY is lamenting the end of his career based on the idea that he would've been one of the all time greats. I don't. The guy flashed huge in the playoff game at Arizona. That was the apex of his career. He was far more potential than he was reality. He had terrible hands that caused key drops. It's too bad he wasn't more mature and brighter.

As for RR, we could've just drafted Crockett Gilmore and people would be typing the same things they are of RR right now...put almost any TE in RR's place and time in the draft and people would be saying the same things they are saying of RR. What is his big calling card that makes him any different than just an average TE? What are those attributes that he possesses that set him apart from what would be a nominal starting TE in this league? I do watch the games and I don't see them.
UserPostedImage
Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


Zero2Cool
9 years ago

The last thing I would ever do is ignore Finley's impact outside the numbers. I made a point of that in my initial response to nerd's OP.

I was a huge Finley guy but I recognize that NOBODY is lamenting the end of his career based on the idea that he would've been one of the all time greats. I don't. The guy flashed huge in the playoff game at Arizona. That was the apex of his career. He was far more potential than he was reality. He had terrible hands that caused key drops. It's too bad he wasn't more mature and brighter.

As for RR, we could've just drafted Crockett Gilmore and people would be typing the same things they are of RR right now...put almost any TE in RR's place and time in the draft and people would be saying the same things they are saying of RR. What is his big calling card that makes him any different than just an average TE? What are those attributes that he possesses that set him apart from what would be a nominal starting TE in this league? I do watch the games and I don't see them.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You know I just remembered something that will pee in the Richard Rodgers cheerio's. Aaron said Finley had very good hands in practice and probably the best on the team early in Finley's career. Uh-oh.
UserPostedImage
nerdmann
9 years ago

At combine Rodgers ran a 4.87... Finley ran a 4.82.

.05 seconds over 40 yards determines whether a guy can stretch the field? I think not. This can easily be made up by knowing your assignment and having a feel for when the defender to get open. Again a receiver achieves meaningful separation with his mind, not his legs.

Ya gotta watch the game! Dont look at 4o times and build an entire dossier for a player's career. Decide how fast he is by observing how he moves relative to other players. Jordy supposedly ran a 4.51 at the combine; do ya remember Lacey's long screen TD against the Bears and Jordy came zooming up running by everyone to block for Eddie like they were all standing still? Speed is important, Jordy has speed that is not reflected in that 4.51.

Rodgers is an infinitely better route runner and receiver than Finley and he will be a better blocker. Plus Finley was not a cancer in any way, but he was a knucklehead; Rodgers is a man. And if you look at Rodgers' Cal highlights; it is a certainty that he'll be capable to stretch the field as well as Finley.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



Soure : 4.82

Imagine a guy with comparable speed to Finley, who actually knows the play book, knows how to run routes (WR in college) and shuts his pie hole.

Sounds like a guy who can get it done.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
uffda udfa
9 years ago

Soure : 4.82

Imagine a guy with comparable speed to Finley, who actually knows the play book, knows how to run routes (WR in college) and shuts his pie hole.

Sounds like a guy who can get it done.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



You think Finley and Rodgers have comparable speed? You never saw RR run, then. I think I might be able to beat him in a race and I'm not joking.

RR is any of a number of TE's floating around out there in the NFL. He's only something here because he plays for the Packers.

UserPostedImage
Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


nerdmann
9 years ago

You think Finley and Rodgers have comparable speed? You never saw RR run, then. I think I might be able to beat him in a race and I'm not joking.

RR is any of a number of TE's floating around out there in the NFL. He's only something here because he plays for the Packers.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



So, you're saying combine numbers don't matter?
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (3h) : @AaronNagler · 2m Both Jordan Love and Malik Willis were Limited participants at Packers practice today.
Zero2Cool (5h) : Johnson didn't make it until 2020. Ring 2023. 🤷 Personally, he should have been in years prior to Hall.
Zero2Cool (5h) : HUMP DAY
beast (6h) : Guys that have a good shot at making the NFL Hall of Fame usually get into their teams pretty fast
beast (6h) : Yeah, but is Kampman and the others in the NFL Hall of Fame?
Zero2Cool (6h) : Johnson was Hall of Fame, 2020. Should haev been in Ring a year later, not three years.
Zero2Cool (6h) : I could be wrong there though
Zero2Cool (6h) : Guys like Kampman, Tim Harris, Al Harris, etc all over 15 years. Hall of Fame is 5 year wait
Zero2Cool (6h) : I guess I see players in Packers Hall come way later
beast (6h) : Yeah, usually teams hall of fames are a much lower bar than the NFL
Zero2Cool (6h) : is it uncommon for Hall before Ring?
Zero2Cool (6h) : S Xavier McKinney named first-team All-Pro by NFLPA
beast (8h) : I missed it, sorry, but he got into the NFL Hall of Fame years before that
Zero2Cool (8h) : Jones took his sweet ole time!
Zero2Cool (8h) : Yeah, he's in the ring of honor, just saw video and his name is up there
Zero2Cool (8h) : Didn't they have a thing in 2023 for Jimmy's ring of honor? I swear I saw it
beast (8h) : Though if they're legitimately trying to re-sign MM, then it makes sense.
beast (8h) : Jerry Jones still hasn't put Jimmy Johnson in the Ring of Honor, but he's in the NFL's Hall of Fame, Jones is petty
Mucky Tundra (20h) : Unless the Cowboys are planning an extension, seems kinda petty
beast (22h) : Cowboys denied Bears request
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : From what I'm reading, MM is under contract through the 14th of January; after that he's free game
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : McCarthy let go or not extended??
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Chicago Bears have asked the Dallas Cowboys permission to interview Mike McCarthy for head coaching vacancy
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : The winners page that is
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : I was not hoping for that. It messes up the page lol
beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3.
beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3.
beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : congrats beast on 2024 !
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : congrats porky on winning 2023 pick'em! (oops sorry)
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : Packers have $60M+ of 2025 cap space on paper TODAY.
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Missed FG into a Lions TD; that'll do pig, that'll do
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : That might be it for the Vikings
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Oh so the refs do know what intentional grounding is
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : what the hell was that Goff?! Not much pressure and he just air mails it to Harrison
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : They really need to to get rid of the auto first down for illegal contact
Martha Careful (6-Jan) : watching the Vikings and Lions it's understandable why they swept the Packers. So much better product
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Even when GB got pressure he was throwing darts; vs no pressure on that last pass he just air mails an open guy
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : didn't have guys in his face ... pressure makes difference
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Where was this Darnold vs GB?
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : BALL DON'T LIE
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : how was that not a safety? Goff throws it at an offensive lineman
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Zero, I thought that was a given! ;)
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Zero I looked through earlier and noticed the same thing. Bonkers year. I just wonder if beast put any money on games
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : I'm hoping for BLOODBATH. Pummel one another.
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : 8 people in pick'em would have won any year with their total lol
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : I'm rooting for the Lions to lose.
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : God help me but I'm rooting for the Vikings to...Vikings to...Christ I can't say it
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : 4 td for Rodgers
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : Chiefs got shutout
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

19h / Around The NFL / beast

7-Jan / Fantasy Sports Talk / wpr

7-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

7-Jan / Fantasy Sports Talk / Zero2Cool

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

6-Jan / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

5-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

5-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

3-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.