Zero2Cool
9 years ago

A guy like Graham would've dominated BECAUSE of Nelson, Cobb, and Lacy...you think he would've been buried on the target totem...I don't. I think Graham would've been absolute lightning for us. I honestly do.

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Who is the brilliant mastermind genius who drafted Nelson, Cobb, Lacy and Aaron Rodgers? 😂 🤣 😝 🇹🇹


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uffda udfa
9 years ago
Who said Ted Thompson couldn't draft OFFENSIVE talent? Not me. He's very good on O and brutal on D... a little above average overall. You wanted this, you got it! 🙂
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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


nerdmann
9 years ago

You guys realize that Gronk is one of the most dominant offensive weapons in NFL history and you're calling some run of the mill TE "comparable"?

Yes, I love my Packers, too, but c'mon, man... Richard Rodgers is nothing like Gronk. He's nowhere near Finley and Finley was a long way from Gronk.

The O does have a chance to be 2011 special again. I completely agree but Richard Rodgers won't be looking like Gronkowski, this year, or any other.

Gronk dominates with who at WR for the Pats? Julian Edelman? Who is the feared RB of the New England Patriots? Richard Rodgers has it so much easier than Gronk ever will and will never be that type of player...EVER. It's embarrassing to read the comparison just because he plays for Green Bay.

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uffda udfa
9 years ago

More qualifications disguised as arguments.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Call it whatever you want but comparing Richard Rodgers to Rob Gronkowski is like comparing Brandon Jackson to Barry Sanders.


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nerdmann
9 years ago

Call it whatever you want but comparing Richard Rodgers to Rob Gronkowski is like comparing Brandon Jackson to Barry Sanders.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Gronk had more receptions as a rookie, more TDs, more yards. However as you have stated, he has fewer weapons around him, so the offense is more like to focus on him. Therefore we look to average per reception, which for Gronk is 13 and RR 11. Pretty close. Longest, 23 for Gronk, RR 48. That's going from memory, could be wrong.

Maybe RR could be a better "big play" guy than Gronk.

In other news, Fred Davis is available.


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uffda udfa
9 years ago

Gronk had more receptions as a rookie, more TDs, more yards. However as you have stated, he has fewer weapons around him, so the offense is more like to focus on him. Therefore we look to average per reception, which for Gronk is 13 and RR 11. Pretty close. Longest, 23 for Gronk, RR 48. That's going from memory, could be wrong.

Maybe RR could be a better "big play" guy than Gronk.

In other news, Fred Davis is available.

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I was hoping your post was more to bait me into responding than any real thing you believed but I was let down. What on earth are you doing comparing RR to Gronk? Honestly. There is NOBODY in the world outside of RR's family and friends and some homer Packers fans who think he is anything near Rob Gronkowski. Post that on some arbitrary team's forum like Cleveland and see if anyone there thinks Gronk and RR are comparable. It might literally be the most insane thing I've ever read here and that's a pretty high bar.




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sschind
9 years ago

Yes, I believe Jimmy would have as good or better numbers in Green Bay. Do you think he's going to have better numbers in Seattle than he had in New Orleans?

Jimmy Graham is a star. There is little doubt Aaron makes his WR's look better than they are and I like both Jordy and Randall. Separation has never been our WR's long suit. Graham has size and leaping ability that makes him Gronk like. A guy like Graham would've dominated BECAUSE of Nelson, Cobb, and Lacy...you think he would've been buried on the target totem...I don't. I think Graham would've been absolute lightning for us. I honestly do.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Fair enough, we will have to agree to disagree on this one I guess. He was the #1 option in NO and he will be the #1 option in Seattle. He wouldn't be that in GB. I think his best numbers stat wise may be behind him because Seattle doesn't pass as much as NO did but there is no doubt he will be effective. There is also no doubt he would have been effective in GB. I just don't think it he would have been as effective and if, by some chance, his numbers were as good as they have been it would be at the expense of numbers from Nelson, Cobb and Lacy so its a zero game.

It's not that I wouldn't want Graham, I just think what we would have had to give up to get him or who we may have lost once we had him would have been too great. It also would have necessitated a change in offensive mentality (a shift from WR to TE as primary pass catchers) to get the most out of him. That's fine if you have WRs like the Seahawks do or even like the Saints did the last couple of years but when you have what the Packers have in Nelson and Cobb I don't know why you would want to take targets away from them.

I do agree with you on the Rodgers/Gronkowski comparison thing. Like I said I think the Packers COULD make Rodgers into a top 5 TE stat wise but it would certainly be at the expense of Nelson and Cobb and Adams and Lacy so I really don't want to see it happen. RR is not RG
greengold
9 years ago

I think Richard Rodgers is pretty similar to a guy like Gronk, no?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


koolaid boy is talking about fantasy football stats, not NFL football. I don't think he can tell the difference.

Thanks. I had no idea that FF and NFL football had nothing to do with each other. I learn so much here.

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uffda udfa
9 years ago

koolaid boy is talking about fantasy football stats, not NFL football. I don't think he can tell the difference.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



Yeah, if Ted Thompson was offered Gronk straight up for RR he wouldn't make the deal as he wouldn't be getting enough in return.


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all_about_da_packers
9 years ago
Some people are not really thinking about how our offense operates. We rely a lot on YAC. That has to be the starting point for any evaluation of our TE group.

Both RR and Quarless are, on their best day, thoroughly average TEs compared to the elite TEs in the NFL. That doesn't mean they are ill suited for us, or a "weak link" on offense. They need to be fast enough to get up the seam, and elusive enough to get YAC.

RR, frankly, was very disappointing last year. His college numbers suggested he would be a far better receiver; his YAC in college were amazing! For at least the first year, RR's college ability didn't translate. He was a subpar blocker. When the Packers TE coach called out RR needing to improve his "foot speed", that should tell you something (negative) about RR's ability to beat defenders up the seam. I sincerely hope we see RR resemble more of his college self; but, in college he was like 20 pounds lighter than the Packers play their TEs, so that may just be wishful thinking.

Quarless is a good #2 option, but isn't going to get you much in terms of YAC or consistently beating players up the seam. Again, doesn't give the Packers what they exactly need.

So, is our TE group our O's weakest link? Yeah, for two reasons: 1) the quality of other position players on our O is great; and 2) the TEs themselves don't exactly excel at what our offense needs (and they were subpar blockers at times last year, too).

That said, Aaron Rodgers as your QB is a huge advantage, as is having Lacy consistently getting 4+ YPC to require safties to commit at the LOS. We can still win with this TE group, and as last year showed win big. However, unless RR is a revelation, this TE group can definitely stand to be improved.

PS - Would trade RR for Gronk in a heartbeat, then spend the rest of the day laughing / boasting that Belichick got taken to the cleaners by Ted. None of our TEs have shown anything more than being average at this level.
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