greengold
10 years ago

No. As long as you're firmly in the group who loves that phrase and praises our GM for using it this thread could go on ad infinitum. Thanks, Ted. ad nauseam Of course, I'm the one who goes on and on not the ones who praise Ted Thompson at every turn.

Question it and dislike it...there's an issue. You can be one person against the 20 who are for it and the 1 is going on and on but the 20 aren't.

Yes, draft and develop is ONE method for building a team used by ALL teams. There are multiple approaches. The great teams use all available resources to build a champion. I think back to the great Niners and Cowboys teams who would fight over Deion Sanders. New England got Revis last year...they won it all. Our guy shuns adding difference makers that could help the team go over the top. In fact, just this off-season he offered Revis 9.5mil per reports knowing that was nowhere near enough to get him to come here. He loses out on a difference maker like Revis by offering a pitiful deal to him, per reports, and then proceeds to blow our first two draft picks on DB's because he didn't/couldn't get Revis. If Randall and Rollins flop completely and are never good players in the NFL, it will be a major waste of our top 2 picks and it will have wasted a few more years of Rodgers career playing DB's nowhere near the level of Revis who could actually help us win a championship. There's your draft and develop vs. adding a difference maker approach right there. As bad as Ted Thompson has been drafting defensive players, I don't hold out much hope we've gotten anyone near Revis' ability in Randall or Rollins.

Do the Patriots use draft and develop? Are they crazy in FA? Nope...they balance the two. Look at how many rings they have with Brady. I would say they've maximized him over the years with their BETTER approach than Ted Thompson's who has...one SB appearance. So, draft and develop is not a better approach than what New England uses. Say that Ted Thompson should be doing more and you're some idiot who blathers on and on, meanwhile, teams that use a varied approach and actually win a lot of rings shouldn't be brought up because our approach brings us to division championships as if that's some justification it works so well.

EDIT: Denver was brought up... Denver wins their division almost every year. I read on this forum that Denver failing to win a SB after adding some great FA's last off season is proof that adding FA's doesn't work. What? Didn't Denver win their division just like Packers? Didn't Denver not make the SB just like the Packers? If you're going to crap all over Denver's approach, why aren't you crapping over Ted Thompson's approach, also? Neither approach got their team to a title, right? The Patriots are a smart org...that's always close to winning a title because of Brady. See any similarities with the Packers? Some team adding Revis that is nowhere near ready to compete for a championship is nowhere near what I'm referring to with adding FA's. When you're close due to having a superstar QB you need to do that one thing that elevates you above other teams who might have great QB's. If New England has a great QB and we do also, and they add a superstar defensive player and we don't who did more? Yes, we added Julius PAST HIS PRIME but that is the mentality of a winner... adding that one big thing that is needed. Where is TT's Reggie White or New England's Revis, or the Seahawks Harvin the year they won it? Where? It is ironic that we got as close as we've been to a SB by adding Peppers. Add a true stud to this team and see what happens not some former stud on his last legs.
You all seem to think when I speak to adding difference makers I'm speaking to adding scrub FA's like an Erik Walden, Evan Diettrich Smith etc to plug holes. No. I'm talking about adding players like a Jimmy Graham at a position of need on a team that is close to being a winner. Julius Peppers is the closest Ted Thompson has ever been to doing that but, again, Julius was not the star he's been in the past. We need to get one of those guys. Let Bulaga walk and give that extra money to Revis. Instead, we chose to keep some decent player at a high cost. Revis and Shields at CB? Are you kidding? Instead, we get Bulaga at RT instead of Barclay or Tretter. Bulaga ain't gonna be the difference in us winning a SB or not...Revis very well could be. No aggression from our GM. Just play it safe sign your own don't bring in a guy from the outside who changes the game. Instead, GAMBLE that a 1st or 2nd round pick MIGHT be the answer opposite Shields when you could've locked that thing down tight and all but ensure your D would be strong enough to carry you to a title. Now, when the guy opposite Sam is getting torched you can all hail Ted Thompson and his conservative approach for the 10th straight off season again.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You don't sound happy. 😁 Are you sure you wouldn't be happier rooting for a non draft & develop team?
greengold
10 years ago

Then the next questions are:

Do you like who they draft? - The scouts and general manager
Do you like who they hire to develop the players? - The coaching staff

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



I do like who they draft. It's nice not having a lot of off field police blotter news from the draft picks.

Overall I like the development of the players, some position coaches are better than others. Joe Whitt is a superstar with the DBs. McCarthy did a pretty good job getting Aaron ready to be a starting QB I think.



10 years ago

I have. The Niners DL ate our OL's lunch those years. Our D was also terrible vs. SF in case you've forgotten. Hyde drops a game ending INT in the one game it actually held up okay.

As for Seattle, their secondary was WAY better than our Cobb, Nelson, RICHARD RODGERS/ANDREW QUARLESS, Rookie Adams WR's. It would've been nice if we had a HC who knew Richard Sherman was injured. Yeah, Rodgers is to blame...he's playing on one leg vs. the best D in the NFL with no legit TE or 3rd WR. Pin it on him because it fits with Ted Thompson being all world as a GM. The one SB we did win was due to Rodgers playing out of his mind.

There is NO excuse not to add a difference maker to this team but keep making them. Draft and develop us right to one SB appearance in the Rodgers era.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 


Your theory contradicts itself. You want to blame Ted for not putting together a better team yet you give Rodgers an excuse because he was playing on one leg. You either give them both a pass or neither.

Answer me this. If Aaron Rodgers is healthy do you believe the Packers go on and win the Super Bowl last year?
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greengold
10 years ago

I have. The Niners DL ate our OL's lunch those years. Our D was also terrible vs. SF in case you've forgotten. Hyde drops a game ending INT in the one game it actually held up okay.

As for Seattle, their secondary was WAY better than our Cobb, Nelson, RICHARD RODGERS/ANDREW QUARLESS, Rookie Adams WR's. It would've been nice if we had a HC who knew Richard Sherman was injured. Yeah, Rodgers is to blame...he's playing on one leg vs. the best D in the NFL with no legit TE or 3rd WR. Pin it on him because it fits with Ted Thompson being all world as a GM. The one SB we did win was due to Rodgers playing out of his mind.

There is NO excuse not to add a difference maker to this team but keep making them. Draft and develop us right to one SB appearance in the Rodgers era.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Davante Adams isn't a legitimate 3rd WR? Why, because he was a Ted Thompson draft pick?

I'm gonna call Ted and remind him to pick a difference maker from the difference maker tree next time he strolls past.
uffda udfa
10 years ago

Your theory contradicts itself. You want to blame Ted for not putting together a better team yet you give Rodgers an excuse because he was playing on one leg. You either give them both a pass or neither.

Answer me this. If Aaron Rodgers is healthy do you believe the Packers go on and win the Super Bowl last year?

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



Unknowable. Do I think? I think New England would've gotten us in the rematch assuming we didn't collapse at Seattle regardless.

Do I think they beat Seattle? I don't know. We collapsed. We could've just as easily collapsed with a huge lead. I think our O was no match for their D due to lack of receiving options vs. their secondary regardless of Rodgers health. See opening night. Our O wasn't good in the Seattle game. Seattle's O was abysmal. Perhaps, Seattle plays better knowing Rodgers is healthy. Knowing he was unhealthy may have dialed them down some subconsciously.

Davante wasn't a legit 3rd...that guy regressed at the end when we needed him most. Perhaps, he hit the wall...I don't know but he was nothing vs. Seattle's secondary. He played well in a few spots...not a consistent performer.

BTW, my contention doesn't contradict itself. Rodgers is a singular performer hobbled by a bad wheel limiting one of his greatest assets his mobility. He wasn't good in Seattle either time...or the time during the Fail Mary game. Our OL was destroyed in the Fail Mary game and the last two times we visited we didn't have the offensive weapons. Richard Rodgers and Davante Adams weren't anywhere near enough.
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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


mi_keys
10 years ago

Yes, but nobody ever acknowledges Ted Thompson is a conservative vs. aggressive guy

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I didn't bother reading past this because there is zero point to doing so. I just said no one on this forum has ever alleged Ted Thompson is aggressive. No one. Ever. Not on this forum. We all agree he is darft and develop. We all agree that's conservative. You couldn't be more full of shit on this point.
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mi_keys
10 years ago

Davante Adams isn't a legitimate 3rd WR? Why, because he was a Ted Thompson draft pick?

I'm gonna call Ted and remind him to pick a difference maker from the difference maker tree next time he strolls past.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



If only we picked mr sizzle one catch lattimore
Born and bred a cheesehead
uffda udfa
10 years ago

I didn't bother reading past this because there is zero point to doing so. I just said no one on this forum has ever alleged Ted Thompson is aggressive. No one. Ever. Not on this forum. We all agree he is darft and develop. We all agree that's conservative. You couldn't be more full of shit on this point.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



It is never stated. It is stated that MM plays not to lose...scared, etc. That is pretty much universally panned here. Ted Thompson IS THAT GUY as our GM. It flows downhill. Our org is a conservative soft group. Football is for the aggressive and tough.

We should be dominating en route to winning SuperBowlS plural with our QB. How can you not believe this? I see garbage thrown out about how the AVERAGE team takes 16 years blah, blah, blah...with our QB we are anything but average. My goodness.
Ted Thompson can keep punting on 4th and short and you can just keep cheering him on. I will be so mixed when he leaves our org. I will be elated that he is gone but so angry that when he goes so will Aaron and we'll have nothing but a bunch of division titles to look back on with one aberrant SB appearance and win. We should've gotten so much more out of that.

I laid out a scenario with Revis and how Ted Thompson thinks and operates. Any refutation or rebuttal? Nope. That is who he is...he is literally hoping against hope that Randall or Rollins ever reaches Revis status. He gets Revis he doesn't draft back to back DB's in Rounds 1 and 2... Perhaps, we get Malcolm Brown from Texas. Let's see how our history unfolds now that we've chosen to draft DB's in Rounds 1 and 2 vs. adding Revis. Tick, tick, tick goes 12's career. Thanks, Ted. Appreciate you going for it while 12 is in his prime.


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Zero2Cool
10 years ago
Packers are aggressive with drafting and developing, including their undrafted free agents.

Why anyone would mention other teams free agents in this thread is just beint an asshole. Stop it or you'll be suspended.
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greengold
10 years ago

Unknowable. Do I think? I think New England would've gotten us in the rematch assuming we didn't collapse at Seattle regardless.

Do I think they beat Seattle? I don't know.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

I like how when it is proposed "Aaron isn't injured / is able to play better" the outcome is "unknowable"

but if the Packers were to stray from draft & develop; the outcome is "dominating en route to winning SuperBowlS plural" 🤣

It is never stated. It is stated that Mike McCarthy plays not to lose...scared, etc. That is pretty much universally panned here. Ted Thompson IS THAT GUY as our GM. It flows downhill. Our org is a conservative soft group. Football is for the aggressive and tough.

We should be dominating en route to winning SuperBowlS plural with our QB. How can you not believe this? I see garbage thrown out about how the AVERAGE team takes 16 years blah, blah, blah...with our QB we are anything but average. My goodness.

Ted Thompson can keep punting on 4th and short and you can just keep cheering him on. I will be so mixed when he leaves our org. I will be elated that he is gone but so angry that when he goes so will Aaron and we'll have nothing but a bunch of division titles to look back on with one aberrant SB appearance and win. We should've gotten so much more out of that.

I laid out a scenario with Revis and how Ted Thompson thinks and operates. Any refutation or rebuttal? Nope. That is who he is...he is literally hoping against hope that Randall or Rollins ever reaches Revis status. He gets Revis he doesn't draft back to back DB's in Rounds 1 and 2... Perhaps, we get Malcolm Brown from Texas. Let's see how our history unfolds now that we've chosen to draft DB's in Rounds 1 and 2 vs. adding Revis. Tick, tick, tick goes 12's career. Thanks, Ted. Appreciate you going for it while 12 is in his prime.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You sound really really unhappy.


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