uffda udfa
9 years ago
I can't stand the term "draft and develop".

There isn't a team in the NFL who doesn't do that. It's like saying "eat and sleep". Everyone does that, too. It isn't some unique strategy to the Packers.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago
I'm really glad the Packers implement the draft and develop (unlike a lot of other teams) philosophy instead of the pluck free agent (and whiff).
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Porforis
9 years ago

I'm really glad the Packers implement the draft and develop (unlike a lot of other teams) philosophy instead of the pluck free agent (and whiff) and with that we should see some improvement in the defense from the rookies of 2014. This is where they need to take a big jump. I'm hoping for Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix to continue improve and hoping for huge jumps for Khyri Thorton and Carl Bradford.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Honest question as I don't stay super informed outside of our division: What are some examples of teams that are notorious for going nuts with free agents?
uffda udfa
9 years ago

Honest question as I don't stay super informed outside of our division: What are some examples of teams that are notorious for going nuts with free agents?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



There aren't any. It's just a shot at me for some bizarre reason.

Again, there is no team in the NFL who doesn't DRAFT players nor is there a team who doesn't DEVELOP players. It's a cutesy phrase that some Packers fans buy as something special and unique about our franchise. It's also used as an excuse and a sell job to those same fans to be okay with the fact this org doesn't ever go for it...we "draft and develop" like no other team in the league does.

It obviously works on a lot of fans.


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mi_keys
9 years ago

Honest question as I don't stay super informed outside of our division: What are some examples of teams that are notorious for going nuts with free agents?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Washington comes to mind.
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Bigbyfan
9 years ago

Honest question as I don't stay super informed outside of our division: What are some examples of teams that are notorious for going nuts with free agents?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Washington Redskins are notorious for it.

The Bucs are also terrible at it. They've already cut multiple guys that they've only signed 1-2 years ago.

The Eagles are pretty bad. Especially the "Dream Team"

The Raiders can't find quality free agents either.

A team that you could consider "close" to a championship and spent big money is the Broncos. Picked up Talib, Ware, and Ward as their "missing pieces." Yet they still didn't even make it to the conference championship game.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago
Those FA crazy Eagles signed Brad Jones (remember him?), Walter Thurmond, Miles Austin and Tim Tebow. What a huge splash they made. They spent money on Thurmond and the other guys were very insignificant signings. Miles Austin is making less than Sean Richardson is making, so, I guess, Richardson was a bigger FA signing than Miles Austin.
Ted Thompson signed Guion and Peppers last year.

Skins brought in 5 new guys on D and they brought in guys kinda like John Kuhn was for us on O...2 of those types.
Ted Thompson brought in Sebetic and Francis on D this year. Plus, overspent on Richardson, Cobb, and Bulaga. Also, resigned Raji and Guion (who has a potential suspension coming) and Tolzien.

I'm not so sure our "draft and develop philosophy" is all that special or superior to even Washington's. We just happen to have Aaron Rodgers and RGIII looks to have busted after an impressive rookie season.

Here's what those Bucs did this year:

DATE TRANSACTION
March 25, 2015 Waived LB Brandon Magee.
March 20, 2015 Signed P Andrew Wilder.
March 19, 2015 Signed CB Sterling Moore.
March 12, 2015 Signed S Chris Conte and DT Henry Melton.
March 12, 2015 Signed LB Bruce Carter. Released DE Michael Johnson.
March 10, 2015 Re-signed CB Leonard Johnson and S Major Wright.
March 9, 2015 Re-signed DE Larry English, DE Lawrence Sidbury, TE Luke Stocker and LB Jason Williams.
March 5, 2015 Re-signed C Mike Jenkins.

Oh, and Tampa cut Josh McCown, too.

---Bucs signed more of their own than we did and added very little. They were in the 2015 draft just like the Packers and so were the Eagles, Raiders, and Redskins.
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sschind
9 years ago

Those FA crazy Eagles signed Brad Jones (remember him?), Walter Thurmond, Miles Austin and Tim Tebow. What a huge splash they made. They spent money on Thurmond and the other guys were very insignificant signings. Miles Austin is making less than Sean Richardson is making, so, I guess, Richardson was a bigger FA signing than Miles Austin.

Ted Thompson signed Guion and Peppers last year.

Skins brought in 5 new guys on D and they brought in guys kinda like John Kuhn was for us on O...2 of those types.

Ted Thompson brought in Sebetic and Francis on D this year. Plus, overspent on Richardson, Cobb, and Bulaga. Also, resigned Raji and Guion (who has a potential suspension coming) and Tolzien.

I'm not so sure our "draft and develop philosophy" is all that special or superior to even Washington's. We just happen to have Aaron Rodgers and RGIII looks to have busted after an impressive rookie season.

Here's what those Bucs did this year:

DATE TRANSACTION
March 25, 2015 Waived LB Brandon Magee.
March 20, 2015 Signed P Andrew Wilder.
March 19, 2015 Signed CB Sterling Moore.
March 12, 2015 Signed S Chris Conte and DT Henry Melton.
March 12, 2015 Signed LB Bruce Carter. Released DE Michael Johnson.
March 10, 2015 Re-signed CB Leonard Johnson and S Major Wright.
March 9, 2015 Re-signed DE Larry English, DE Lawrence Sidbury, TE Luke Stocker and LB Jason Williams.
March 5, 2015 Re-signed C Mike Jenkins.

Oh, and Tampa cut Josh McCown, too.

---Bucs signed more of their own than we did and added very little. They were in the 2015 draft just like the Packers and so were the Eagles, Raiders, and Redskins.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



When he asked for teams that are notorious for it I think he was referring to past seasons and not just this year. You can't tell me that some of these teams have not made more than their share of big splashes, and big flops, in the past. Not even the big spenders are going to spend big every year.

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this. Yes every team drafts players and every team develops players but some teams have historically signed many more free agents than others. There are definite philosophies when it comes to building a team that range from exclusively draft and develop (which IMO includes the signing of rookie UDFAs) to a team that relies very heavily on unrestricted free agents. Would you argue that Ted doesn't fall much closer to the D&D side of the spectrum than many other GMs. You are constantly bitching about his lack of participation in the FA market so how do you suggest he is building his team if it isn't through draft and develop. What was it 2 players last year that had played on other teams. If that isn't draft and develop I don't know what is.
Zero2Cool
9 years ago
** I split this from the other thread because I didn't want to derail that solid topic **

Honest question as I don't stay super informed outside of our division: What are some examples of teams that are notorious for going nuts with free agents?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



I do not believe any team is notorious for going nuts with free agents and I did not say anything of the sort.

Sure we can conveniently look at this years free agent pickups for an off season that has not yet concluded and say "look no one uses free agency notoriously!!!" That would be as valuable as watching three quarters of a game and defiantly proclaiming the winner (haha, too soon??). A more valuable measure would be to evaluate all 32 NFL team final 53 roster and how they were assembled. How many on the 53 played for another team? The Packers had just a handful if I remember correctly and the next team was quite further down the line. In other words, they develop their talent rather than acquiring it from someone else and usually that player was drafted by the them.

Really have no interest in evaluating all 32 NFL rosters, but a quick Google search will land you information you seek.

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uffda udfa
9 years ago

When he asked for teams that are notorious for it I think he was referring to past seasons and not just this year. You can't tell me that some of these teams have not made more than their share of big splashes, and big flops, in the past. Not even the big spenders are going to spend big every year.

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this. Yes every team drafts players and every team develops players but some teams have historically signed many more free agents than others. There are definite philosophies when it comes to building a team that range from exclusively draft and develop (which IMO includes the signing of rookie UDFAs) to a team that relies very heavily on unrestricted free agents. Would you argue that Ted doesn't fall much closer to the D&D side of the spectrum than many other GMs. You are constantly bitching about his lack of participation in the FA market so how do you suggest he is building his team if it isn't through draft and develop. What was it 2 players last year that had played on other teams. If that isn't draft and develop I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



My point is this... Yes, we "draft and develop" but so does every other team in the NFL. There isn't a team in the NFL who doesn't participate in the NFL draft year after year and there isn't a team who gets rid of all the guys they draft every single year. By definition, all teams...draft...and...develop. That is almost exclusively what Ted relies on. I simply don't like it. I also do not like adding multiple FA's every single year. What I do like is adding a difference maker and we rarely ever do such a thing and that is a major frustration when we have a QB like we have now. Ted Thompson would rather wait 3 or 4 years to see if we might have a blue chipper rather than spend, now, to get one immediately. I think that is ridiculously wrong. He wants to save money and is always thinking about years down the road and misses too much of what is going on right now with his robotic plodding approach that, btw, only works if you have an all world QB.

I admire teams for going for it and trying. People always want to point to the teams that don't win the SB while using FA. Well, our team has been there 1 time this century using draft and develop. See, look at what a failure it is! One SB appearance in 15 years. It's really odd how people look at what they want to see and turn blind eye to reality. Again, I will always admire a team/GM who GOES FOR IT, not one who just plods along hoping and wishing.
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