greengold
9 years ago

CJ Wilson worked out just fine. 7th round pick? What did we get, 5 years of solid run stuffing depth out of him? Sounds like a great pick.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yeah, I fell into Uffda's trap of ranking players by draft order. He needs to go troll the Patriots board and inform them Bellichick is an idiot for not drafting Brady in the 1st.


uffda udfa
9 years ago

Yeah, I fell into Uffda's trap of ranking players by draft order. He needs to go troll the Patriots board and inform them Bellichick is an idiot for not drafting Brady in the 1st.


Originally Posted by: greengold 



That isn't the point and never was...the point is Ted Thompson had CJ Wilson ahead of Sam Shields and very well could've seen him get drafted in the last 25 left in the 7th and that is not even mentioning the risk of him being a FREE AGENT who could sign with whomever he wanted. He's a Miami kid and he's just going to pick Green Bay? He went for opportunity and the money not necessarily in that order.

The way it's told here Ted Thompson is a genius...he just knew Sam would fall to him at the UDFA pool and then he would automatically sign with us. Ain't even close to reality.


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greengold
9 years ago

That isn't the point and never was...the point is Ted Thompson had CJ Wilson ahead of Sam Shields and very well could've seen him get drafted in the last 25 left in the 7th and that is not even mentioning the risk of him being a FREE AGENT who could sign with whomever he wanted. He's a Miami kid and he's just going to pick Green Bay? He went for opportunity and the money not necessarily in that order.

The way it's told here Ted Thompson is a genius...he just knew Sam would fall to him at the UDFA pool and then he would automatically sign with us. Ain't even close to reality.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



And neither is your assertion that if Ted was a good drafter he should have known Shields would be that good and not taken the risk that no one would draft him. It is all calculated risk. The GMs that hit on more calculated risks THAN OTHER REAL LIFE GMs have more success.
Zero2Cool
9 years ago
Let's say the Packers admit they knew no team had interest in drafting Sam Shields based on dialog from his agent. Then used their 7th round selection on him anyway. The haters would twist this into "why blow that 7th round pick when you could have had the next Donald Driver?".

What I'm saying is every situation can be flipped and when you have hate for someone, you manufacture failures out of their successes. The problem with glorifying one person or in this case, decimating someone is that the fact of this being a TEAM game is naively ignored.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago

Let's say the Packers admit they knew no team had interest in drafting Sam Shields based on dialog from his agent. Then used their 7th round selection on him anyway. The haters would twist this into "why blow that 7th round pick when you could have had the next Donald Driver?".

What I'm saying is every situation can be flipped and when you have hate for someone, you manufacture failures out of their successes. The problem with glorifying one person or in this case, decimating someone is that the fact of this being a TEAM game is naively ignored.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



You don't get it...I don't have hate for anyone. I have hate for the mindset that Ted Thompson is some super guru far and away above most GM's in this league. What you've all basically said is drafting is a game of LUCK. So, why are you crediting him for LUCK?

Who was ever going to say he missed out on the next Donald Driver by picking Sam Shields in the 7th? Who? If you were so sure a guy was going to be the next Donald Driver you'd trade back into the 7th (not hard to do) or just take the next Donald Driver.

I would say that homerism is a lot stronger than my perceived "hate". I'm pretty sure there are no fans of other teams thinking...Man, that Packers GM is so awesome. I wish we had him so we could NEVER ever land a big time free agent except for every decade or so. I'm sure they would love seeing holes on their team filled with UDFA's. Those teams don't have Aaron Rodgers and that is what fans of other teams covet...not our GM, but our big time QB who makes us win. It is so simple yet you want to continually shine the light on Ted Thompson for some logic defying reason. He's an okay GM...he's not a superstar of GM's. I only "hate" on him because most of you are so out of bounds with what you say regarding him it's beyond belief.

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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

You don't get it...I don't have hate for anyone. I have hate for the mindset that Ted Thompson is some super guru far and away above most GM's in this league. What you've all basically said is drafting is a game of LUCK. So, why are you crediting him for LUCK?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I stopped right here because this is just hilarious what you did here. I say people will twist things into their agenda, you claim I do not get it and then do just as I stated.

😂

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uffda udfa
9 years ago

I stopped right here because this is just hilarious what you did here. I say people will twist things into their agenda, you claim I do not get it and then do just as I stated.

😂

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



What's hilarious?

If I was to play the role of the Ted Thompson crowd, I would ask and cry about where my answers are? Avoidance! Avoidance!

The best points I've seen here in a long while was the one on the Pack keeping Golden Graham Harrell over BJ "Fire in the" Coleman and cutting Ricky Elmore in favor of Vic So'oto, although, in Vic's case he had that mega game vs. KC our last preseason game that made him all but unreleaseable.


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Gilligan
9 years ago
One reason Wolf is "legendary" and Ted Thompson isn't, is the internet.
It was not as big back in Wolf's day so the picture was painted by the media, not interacting at fan-based website like this one and many others.

Fans tend to gloss over mistakes unless they are beat about the head with them.
Therefore Wolf's mistakes are largely forgotten, even though he had a few of them.
Thompson's mistakes are cussed and discussed ad nauseum.
I am chosen by many but taken by no one.
uffda udfa
9 years ago

One reason Wolf is "legendary" and Ted Thompson isn't, is the internet.
It was not as big back in Wolf's day so the picture was painted by the media, not interacting at fan-based website like this one and many others.

Fans tend to gloss over mistakes unless they are beat about the head with them.
Therefore Wolf's mistakes are largely forgotten, even though he had a few of them.
Thompson's mistakes are cussed and discussed ad nauseum.

Originally Posted by: Gilligan 



If Dakota, Wade and myself weren't here that last part would be wholly invalid on this forum.

Wolf had the much harder job...turning around a losing culture. Ted Thompson has maintained thanks to Aaron Rodgers. TT's job isn't an easy one though. Keeping a team above board for the long term is not easy. It rose with Rodgers, and will fall when he goes.

Ron was sucky in Round 1. He realized he couldn't do it all through the crapshoot and added what he needed to add. To heist a HOF QB from the Falcons is a much shrewder and difficult move than having the guy who was 1a and 1b as far as being the 1st overall pick fall down to your spot at 24 when your HOF QB is prone to walk at any given moment, or just give out due to consecutive games played.

Ron had Reggie... the biggest signing in NFL history at the time. Ted Thompson got Woodson...a guy NOBODY wanted at CB and a guy who sat on the market for weeks. That is his signature signing. Charles Woodson. Look what happened when he actually signed someone... we had a D good enough to win a SB and that we did. Perhaps, Ted Thompson realized that and that's why he signed Julius? A 34 year old DE who never played LB in the NFL. If Ted Thompson and RW are so similar Ted Thompson should have made a lot more splashes than he has over the decade... no Packers team has won the SB in the last 30 years by developing their own...it took outside help. IE: White...Woodson I just wish we weren't relying on a 35 year old to be that spark to catapult us this season.




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musccy
9 years ago
Uffda,

Ted deserves criticism. You and I agree about overpaying Bulaga (although I'm ultimately happy he's still back) and letting Cullen go. Brad Jones was a head scratcher too.

That said, Telford's history and character issues kept 21 (the Vikes TWICE!) and 31 other teams from picking an MVP and signing a DPOY. It's not like Andrew Luck dangling there with nothing in your way to get him. Ted pulled the trigger on guys other people wouldn't. It doesn't make him infallible, but I also don't see the need to search for reasons to discredit his successes or minimize it by saying it was lucky.



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