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10 years ago

NEW ORLEANS -- Coach Mike McCarthy has a good enough football team that he shouldn't need to resort to gimmicks or high-risk moves to win games.

The Green Bay Packers were 5-2 without them heading into Sunday night game's at the New Orleans Saints.

But McCarthy went against conventional thinking on three key occasions in the 44-23 loss at the Superdome.

They were:
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  • The decision to use outside linebacker Julius Peppers as a receiver/tight end near the goal-line in the first quarter.
  • A surprise onside kick in the first quarter.
  • [*]A fourth-and-1 run from the Packers' 40-yard line in the third quarter.[/list]

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    NEW ORLEANS -- Coach Mike McCarthy has a good enough football team that he shouldn't need to resort to gimmicks or high-risk moves to win games.



    "Finding ways to lose."
    “Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
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    1) There really isn't anything good you can say about Peppers

    2) I'm 50-50 on the onsides kick. In hindsight it actually almost looks better since the Packers stopped the Saints' offense once all night?

    3) I believe the Packers were down 2 TDs, needed 18 inches, and again, couldn't stop the Saints whether they started from their own 2, 30, or the Packers 40.

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    True.....I see the onsides kick as a desperation move, with NO confidence on our defense. (As it turns out, rightfully so.)
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    steveishere
    10 years ago
    Maybe after the bye we can just put our best players out there and play football instead of using silly gimick packages/plays so often on offense and defense.
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    Maybe after the bye we can just put our best players out there and play football instead of using silly gimick packages/plays so often on offense and defense.

    Originally Posted by: steveishere 



    Now that is just madness. Why would we want to play fundamentally sound football?
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    I don't question going for it on 4th down. I just question running the play behind a terrible back up in Taylor Lane.

    Dude was a turnstile all night.
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    10 years ago
    It was the wrong time to call the Peppers play. You run that when ahead, to put it on film for possible use in the future, you don't use it that early in a shootout.

    No problem with the onside call, It was almost successful, just didn't get the bounce this time. He has made the same call before with success and little complaining is done than so we shouldn't complain just because the outcome wasn't the same.

    I don't call going for it at that point of the game on 4th down a risky call. Punting likely would not have only changed the amount of time left when Flynn was put in.
    The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
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    True, Packfanwithtwins. If the Peppers play and the onsides kick worked, we'd be singing MM's praises.
    As I said, I think MM has no confidence in our D being able to make stops against a good team, and was trying ANYTHING to get an advantage.
    IF we make it to the playoffs, we will be playing against good teams and will lose if they don't fix what is wrong.
    It will be another "one and done".
    Teams have plenty of film now on how to beat the Packers. If they have a decent QB and running back and a D that can stop the pass at all, we will lose.
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    Zero2Cool
    10 years ago
    I think Vic has this one spot on. Excellent play call and if Julius Peppers catches it, those whining about it, would be praising it. Hindsight makes us all brilliant lol

    They have to prepare for it because the Packers absolutely pencil-whipped the Saints with that play. I mean, it was genius. You will never see a better example of plays, not players, than you saw on that play. By formation and personnel, the Packers completely compromised the Saints’ defensive look by isolating a very large player on a much smaller player. Everything was perfect according to design. It should’ve been an easy pitch-and-catch touchdown, except one thing went wrong: The pass was dropped. That’s why it’s always players, not plays.

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    Mucky Tundra
    10 years ago

    I think Vic has this one spot on. Excellent play call and if Julius Peppers catches it, those whining about it, would be praising it. Hindsight makes us all brilliant lol


    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    LeRoy Butler had a similar take in his weekly show: put Jordy or Cobb in the same spot and the Saints would have been all over it.
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    Even if the play worked, even if the fans cheered, it is still the wrong call at the wrong time. Succeeding doesn't make it the right call. Bad call and poor judgement on Mike's part.

    Quarless had that great catch to beat Miami. Even though he has 71 receptions in his career he was not who most people would have thrown to in a do or die situation but he had something that Peppers will never have. Experience. Aaron has thrown the ball the ball to Quarless hundreds of times in practice. With the backup QBs, Quarless has 1000s of opportunities in his professional career. I doubt Peppers had more than 10 passes thrown to him in practice. When the game was on the line he flinched just a little. He was too busy thinking about catching the ball instead of just catching it.

    If they had this new toy (trick play) that they just have to show off to the neighbor kids then they should have done so on first down. That way they still had too chances if it failed. After it failed on second down they only had one more chance to get the TD. I would have preferred that they tried again on 4th down than take the FG. If you have a crappy defense you can't settle for FGs.

    If you want to use the "players not plays" line then you have to have the players who can make the plays otherwise why can you or I or anyone else go out there and try and make the catch too? Why not line up other extremely talented athletes from other sports? You have to have the guys out there who can actually make the plays not just any old schmoe.
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    I think Vic has this one spot on. Excellent play call and if Julius Peppers catches it, those whining about it, would be praising it. Hindsight makes us all brilliant lol


    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    That's all well and good, but why not get him a rep or two when we were up by 30 the week before? Why debut it in a clutch situation like that?
    “Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
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    LeRoy Butler had a similar take in his weekly show: put Jordy or Cobb in the same spot and the Saints would have been all over it.

    Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



    yep. then the ball should go to the TE or 3rd wr.
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    10 years ago

    That's all well and good, but why not get him a rep or two when we were up by 30 the week before? Why debut it in a clutch situation like that?

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    I agree, it should have been called a few times so other teams could get tape on it. [duh]

    It's not a complicated route, nor a deep route. You run 5-10 yards, curl inside and catch the ball. The play was called at the right time with the right personnel. I'm willing to bet 9 times out of 10 Julius makes that catch.

    Out of the 60 minutes of the game, its hard to believe fans can be in an uproar over such good called play.


    I prefer they have Rodgers under center, play-action while he rolls out when they get inside the 12 yard line. This allows Rodgers to use his feet and his arm as weapons and the defense has to respect both. And I'd prefer it always thrown to Randall Cobb for this season. [grin1]

    That being said, the Peppers play was a good play call.
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    10 years ago

    I prefer they have Rodgers under center, play-action while he rolls out when they get inside the 12 yard line. This allows Rodgers to use his feet and his arm as weapons and the defense has to respect both. And I'd prefer it always thrown to Randall Cobb for this season. [grin1]

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    Wouldn't that just drive up his contract demands and cost us more money in the offseason?! 🤦

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    10 years ago

    Wouldn't that just drive up his contract demands and cost us more money in the offseason?! 🤦

    Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



    The hell do I care about that for? His contract plays no value to my Fantasy Football games. [rockon]
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    10 years ago

    The hell do I care about that for? His contract plays no value to my Fantasy Football games. [rockon]

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    Well in that case I hope he throws less to Cobb and more to everyone else just to spite you! [rockon]
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    I agree, it should have been called a few times so other teams could get tape on it. [duh]

    It's not a complicated route, nor a deep route. You run 5-10 yards, curl inside and catch the ball. The play was called at the right time with the right personnel. I'm willing to bet 9 times out of 10 Julius makes that catch.

    Out of the 60 minutes of the game, its hard to believe fans can be in an uproar over such good called play.


    I prefer they have Rodgers under center, play-action while he rolls out when they get inside the 12 yard line. This allows Rodgers to use his feet and his arm as weapons and the defense has to respect both. And I'd prefer it always thrown to Randall Cobb for this season. [grin1]

    That being said, the Peppers play was a good play call.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    Isn't the point of a surprise play for it to be a surprise? If they had called it a few times before the Saints would have seen Peppers come in and been wise to it thinking that maybe the ball will come his way. Who knows what they were thinking this time but I'm sure it took a few people by surprise.

    Now when Peppers comes in on offense the other teams will think "its going to Peppers" and it probably never will again. Plays like this work at surprising the defense only when you show it as a potential for use far more than you actually use it.

    I agree with you on everything else though except I make it 8 out of 10.
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    Isn't the point of a surprise play for it to be a surprise? If they had called it a few times before the Saints would have seen Peppers come in and been wise to it thinking that maybe the ball will come his way. Who knows what they were thinking this time but I'm sure it took a few people by surprise.

    Now when Peppers comes in on offense the other teams will think "its going to Peppers" and it probably never will again. Plays like this work at surprising the defense only when you show it as a potential for use far more than you actually use it.

    I agree with you on everything else though except I make it 8 out of 10.

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    The play works, because you've got a 6'7" 260 lb dude being covered by a 5'11" 180 lb DB.

    Frankly I thought the throw was rushed and awkward, ill timed. This was after the hammy wasn't it? Seemed like he wasn't able to step up or was forcing it out early.
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