Does Davon House make Tramon Williams expendable?· Page 2

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

10 years ago

#11

OK, Who is the Packers #1 an # 2 Cornerbacks ?

#1 - ?
#2 - ?
#3 - ?

and WHY ?

Safeties ?

Originally Posted by: Smokey

I think this would be a great new thread idea.

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Sam Shields - because he has better than CB hands dating from his WR days and elite "got you" speed.

Casey Hayward - because he is very smart and knows the routes his enemy will run and can bait the QB

[*]Tramon Williams - because he is very consistent and headsie player although he has lost some of his "got you" speed over the years[/list]

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#12

I'm conflicted by this situation. They say you can never have too many good Corners, and the events of last Sunday certainly prove that. However, I generally go along with the idea of not overpaying older players. The tiebreaker here is that you can structure contracts to be cap-friendly and back end loaded. I think Ted doesn't maximize doing this enough - it usually isn't necessary. If Williams finishes the season strong, I think I would re-sign him - even for 3 or 4 years, but with not overly much guaranteed money - if that's possible.

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steveishere
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#13

While he doesn't make him expendable, he does make it so the Packers don't need to overpay to keep him. I hope Tramon and House are both willing to be team friendly and stick around for a reasonable salary instead of trying to break the bank. We could have one of the best and deepest secondaries.

But I don't expect both to be resigned. I would really have to see the offers they both are given to determine which I would prefer to keep.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Agree. House isn't as good as Williams but he may be better at 3-4m a year than Williams is at 7m a year or some situation like that.

wpr
Preferred Member

10 years ago

#14

While he doesn't make him expendable, he does make it so the Packers don't need to overpay to keep him. I hope Tramon and House are both willing to be team friendly and stick around for a reasonable salary instead of trying to break the bank. We could have one of the best and deepest secondaries.

But I don't expect both to be resigned. I would really have to see the offers they both are given to determine which I would prefer to keep.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

exactly.

With the injuries to Williams and Shields it puts a little bit of a twist to the whole thing. If Tramon is gone next year and injuries flair up again a position that once was pretty deep becomes exposed in a big hurry.

That said if Tramon wants another deal like his last one they will let him walk.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#15

Originally Posted by: wpr

What would you or anybody consider Tramon worth on his next contract?

His last was 4/33 10SB.
Sam got 4/39 13SB

Is Tramon worth what Shields got? The way he has been playing the last couple years I would think so. Perhaps structured with less SB so the later years when he is 34-35 have a higher base but less risk to the team if he would need to be cut.

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texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#16

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

When is a 4 year contract really a 1 or 2 year contract?

How about this: $20 million for 4 years - $4 million signing bonus, with salary of $2, 3, 5, and 6 million for the four years. He could be cut after one or two years with minimal cap damage, and he gets what I think would be satisfactory to him both in actual money and prestige of a moderately big contract. And if he is that rare player still who is still top quality at age 35 or 36, we still have him for not too bad a figure.

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wpr
Preferred Member

10 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Smart @ss reply-
Last time I checked I was not the GM for the GBP. My knowledge of the market price for a starting CB in 2015 in the NFL is limited to say the least. My knowledge of what the Packers organization expects out of House and Hayward is equally limited. As is my concept of the CBs who will be coming out next year. Try as I may, I can not foresee who will be on the open market with Tramon at the end of the year.

PC reply-
I also tend to under price the market so I will not be able to speak to the what he will really get. I will say that giving a 32 year old player a 4 year deal is unrealistic. GB has been able to let many WR leave after 2 contracts and have not missed a beat. Maybe that is Uncle Teddy being able to evaluate and draft quality replacements. Perhaps it is because they are playing with Aaron.

If I were to make an offer it would be for 2 years at $8 mil plus a modest signing bonus of $3-5 mil.

The reason for this is because according to a few sites I looked at Tramon is not considered a 10 ten CB. (Maybe everyone hates him I don't know.) The 10th best CBs (2 tied) are scheduled to make $6.9 for the base salary next year. Pretending he really is a top 10 CB I bumped it up to allow for some more players to sign better deals this off season.

FYI - these are some but not all the CBs that were rated better than Williams:
Richard Sherman, Patrick Peterson, Darrelle Revis, Aqib Talib, Alterraun Verner, Joe Haden, Brandon Boykin, Chris Harris, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Brent Grimes, Tramaine Brock, Tim Jennings, Vontae Davis, Johnathan Joseph, Tyrann Mathieu.

Some are some are not. But that should be a whole new discussion.

beast
Select Member

10 years ago

#18

OK, Who is the Packers #1 an # 2 Cornerbacks ?

#1 - ?
#2 - ?
#3 - ?

and WHY ?

Originally Posted by: Smokey

IMO

1) Williams, because he seems to have maximized his physical potential, plays very smart and doesn't seem to make many if any mental mistakes.

2) Shields, because of super raw physical talent... though it seems like his super quick reactions to mistake has dropped down to just quick reactions and seems to play best when people pressure is on... other wise he seems to sometimes drop his guard and mistakes happen.... like getting burned by average speed Jet WR...

3) Hayward... Hayward seems to b very smart and complete nature with his quickness and reading both made and zone. Needs to tackle better but he seems to have it down mentally and physically but still makes mistakes at times.

4) House... House has a lot of good physical skills, but little slipups... here and there seem to hold him back some from getting his best play on the field.

nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

#19

House gets a chance to earn a phat contract. He's always been a little stiff in the hips, but he's got size and speed. Maybe he's part of that yoga group, I don't know.

What I do know is that he's getting the opportunity to showcase his skills.

Hayward is gonna get a chance to show that his rookie year wasn't a fluke, and that he's back on that level. He might get an early restructure too, I don't know.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

luigis
Member

10 years ago

#20

House is probably our best cover guy, better than Tramon but not as smart and probably better than Shields but not as fast.

For some reason I don't think Hayward can play outside. I hope to be wrong!

Luis

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