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If we were to only keep 5 guys, I absolutely believe Boykin could've been in trouble.

We know Cobb and Nelson are making it without question, and so is Adams as a 2nd round pick. That eats up the first 3 slots. Only two remain.

Janis is a guy who has measurables that are better than nearly everyone at the WR position in the entire NFL. If he played well, and he has, how are you going to cut that unique specimen? You aren't. That would eat up 4 spots leaving only one more if we were to keep 5.

That leaves Abbrederis vs. Boykin. A 5th rounder, who by all rights, could've gone much higher than he did vs. a guy who came to us via tryout as a UDFA...we didn't even sign Boykin as a UDFA, initially, he only got a tryout to be signed. The hardest road of all. Let's say Abbrederis lit it up like Janis has, which was a real possibility. Do you think it's so unlikely a 5th round hot shot rookie wouldn't be kept over Boykin who has very poor speed? I don't. Yes, Boykin proved to be a solid NFL WR, but he was not a precious draft choice. We all know how those are valued in Green Bay.

To me, it was no stretch at all to say it was well within the realm of possibility that Boykin may not have been Top 5. MM's quote on Boykin was very flattering toward Jarrett, but that was prior to seeing all the guys who would be in competition against him. If forced to choose, how could you easily just say I'd take Boykin over Janis? That is where it likely, in my view, would've come to had Abbrederis not gotten hurt if we were only going to keep 5.

Boykin is a fine WR...I don't dislike him or his game at all. He has excellent hands and knows how to play the position. He's just not flashy and offers little in the way of speed. Abbrederis, Janis, Boykin... Who would you rather hold onto?

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No sense debating what would have happened if Abbrederis wasn't injured. We can all state our theory of what would have happened. We may as well say they were all right and are all wrong.

As far as Boykins' speed, I don't care. There have been so many "possession receivers" in the NFL it shows teams value guys who run the correct routes and CATCH THE BALL that there was room for Boykin on this team. If speed alone was enough there would be a Renaldo Nehemiah on every team. Having 5 receivers was not set in stone. They may have tried to slip Janis through to the PS.


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10 years ago

As much as some of you seem to hate Boykin... he's not getting cut this year... it's been pretty much that simple from the start... you can blah blah blah about this guy or blah blah blah about that guy... simple fact unless Boykins gets injured and does something horrible stupid or evil... he's been basically a lock to make the team.


He's just the new obsession for people to stupidly hate on... I guess they get tired of waiting for Hawk and Bush to get cut and have moved on to Boykin...

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Who hates Boykin? I like the guy... I can't say that I like him more than Jeff Janis...or I would've liked him more than Abby. Is it really hard to believe that Boykin may not have been among the Top 5. Yes, it is speculation...that is mostly what these forums are for. Fans speculate on things. My speculation includes the idea that Boykin may not have been a lock if you're going to keep only 5. The Rams broadcast team (Andrew Siciliano) stated on the broadcast the Packers know they can't slip Janis onto the PS, and I believe that was before he went V12 and scored. I think it is a reasonable assumption Janis is making this team.

If you had to choose...who would you cut between the two? Boykin or Janis? That will answer the question about whether it's really so crazy to believe Boykin may not have been Top 5.


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Who hates Boykin? I like the guy... I can't say that I like him more than Jeff Janis...or I would've liked him more than Abby. Is it really hard to believe that Boykin may not have been among the Top 5. Yes, it is speculation...that is mostly what these forums are for. Fans speculate on things. My speculation includes the idea that Boykin may not have been a lock if you're going to keep only 5. The Rams broadcast team (Andrew Siciliano) stated on the broadcast the Packers know they can't slip Janis onto the PS, and I believe that was before he went V12 and scored. I think it is a reasonable assumption Janis is making this team.

If you had to choose...who would you cut between the two? Boykin or Janis? That will answer the question about whether it's really so crazy to believe Boykin may not have been Top 5.

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Boykin.

The list is long for the Janis type of receiver that fans have clamorer for, Uncle Teddy released, another team grabs and then the guy is never heard from again. There will be yet another "Janis" next year.


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10 years ago

Boykin.

The list is long for the Janis type of receiver that fans have clamorer for, Uncle Teddy released, another team grabs and then the guy is never heard from again. There will be yet another "Janis" next year.

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I don't know that there'll be another Janis next year... not with those measurables... they are truly rare...not just he's a run of the mill small school guy like all the others. He's different. Truly special.

Bob McGinnn also wrote that he will not be able to be slid through to the PS.

No way I risk a guy with the ceiling of Janis for Jarrett Boykin. Fortunately, we don't have to choose.

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10 years ago

Boykin.

The list is long for the Janis type of receiver that fans have clamorer for, Uncle Teddy released, another team grabs and then the guy is never heard from again. There will be yet another "Janis" next year.

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Well, there are rumblings out Cleveland that Charles Johnson has been impressing at Browns camp. That's a guy that slipped through the PS cracks. Another 7th rounder, like Janis.

I think this hypothetical would-they, wouldn't-they about keeping/cutting Boykin/Janis is kind of pointless.

But I also don't think it would have been impossible to keep six WRs. There are a handful of positions where there's a lot of debate over how many to keep.
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10 years ago

Who hates Boykin?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I don't think anyone necessarily hates Boykin. I just feel like he isn't getting anywhere near the respect he deserves. He played REALLY good football last year.

Part of what I'm struggling with is though is this type of analysis:

If we were to only keep 5 guys, I absolutely believe Boykin could've been in trouble.

We know Cobb and Nelson are making it without question, and so is Adams as a 2nd round pick. That eats up the first 3 slots. Only two remain.

Janis is a guy who has measurables that are better than nearly everyone at the WR position in the entire NFL. If he played well, and he has, how are you going to cut that unique specimen? You aren't. That would eat up 4 spots leaving only one more if we were to keep 5.

That leaves Abbrederis vs. Boykin. A 5th rounder, who by all rights, could've gone much higher than he did vs. a guy who came to us via tryout as a UDFA...we didn't even sign Boykin as a UDFA, initially, he only got a tryout to be signed. The hardest road of all. Let's say Abbrederis lit it up like Janis has, which was a real possibility. Do you think it's so unlikely a 5th round hot shot rookie wouldn't be kept over Boykin who has very poor speed? I don't. Yes, Boykin proved to be a solid NFL WR, but he was not a precious draft choice. We all know how those are valued in Green Bay.

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It doesn't matter to me one bit if he was a tryout player or was cut by the Jaguars or whatever; the dude can play!

Players aren't their measurements... they aren't numbers or stats like in Madden. Very talented individuals with incredible physiques sometimes don't pan out, and off-the-radar type guys sometimes succeed. I would feel really dumb if I argued for a JaMarcus Russell over a Tom Brady solely because of where they were picked or what their measurements were.

Janis is no longer a secret that can be hidden on a Practice Squad, so we know now that he will likely make the roster. I'm not really interested in the 'what could've been' discussions over Abbrederis either because it is what it is. I'm just suggesting that Boykin seems under-appreciated sometimes just because he's not wildly fast or because he came in undrafted.

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I don't know that there'll be another Janis next year... not with those measurables... they are truly rare...not just he's a run of the mill small school guy like all the others. He's different. Truly special.

Bob McGinnn also wrote that he will not be able to be slid through to the PS.

No way I risk a guy with the ceiling of Janis for Jarrett Boykin. Fortunately, we don't have to choose.

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OH MY!!!!! Why was he NOT a first round pick? That was sheer madness and folly by every single GM for 6+ rounds.
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Well, there are rumblings out Cleveland that Charles Johnson has been impressing at Browns camp. That's a guy that slipped through the PS cracks. Another 7th rounder, like Janis.

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I know. I didn't mean to imply that none of the other WR had ever amounted to anything.


I think this hypothetical would-they, wouldn't-they about keeping/cutting Boykin/Janis is kind of pointless.

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Agreed



But I also don't think it would have been impossible to keep six WRs. There are a handful of positions where there's a lot of debate over how many to keep.

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agreed. My first roster predictions had 6
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Who cares? He's here. He's talented. And that's awesome.

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