StarrMax1
10 years ago


Real shame about Franklin, sounds like he had a plan for life after football, looks like he will have to start that life early.

Not sure what The Packers organization can do for him, but these are the risks these guys take when they decide they want to play Football.

I was really hoping The Packers would be able to IR Franklin for this year and he would make a full recovery, who knows, he still may do that and be able to revive his career next year.

As for this year, I think The Packers are still in good shape.

Lacy and Starks still give them a pretty good 1-2 punch.

Harris looks like he is finally back.

Let's not forget about Micheal Hill, talented guy who IMO just needs to grow up and come to the realization he has the talent to play, he just needs to act like he is an NFL Player.

Rajon Neal and Ladarius Perkins now have a chance to show The Packers they didn't make a mistake by giving them a chance.

With the beating RB's take throughout a whole season, it's always good to have guys waiting to get their shot.

Not sure if The Packers are better at the RB position, compared to this time last year, but if Harris can stay healthy, I believe they are pretty close.

Lacy, Starks, Harris and (Hill/Neal/Perkins), along with Kuhn for one more year, still looks pretty solid.
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10 years ago

With Franklin gone, how does this affect the roster breakdown? Do we keep another RB around? Are we more keen to keep a 6th WR now? A 5th TE a la 2011? What about our plans for the backfield? Do they try to use Harris in a Sproles like role or do they play cautious with only him, Starks and Lacy on the roster that are locks for the RB spot?

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



There are a few options available to the Packers. 3 RB and Kuhn is a bit of a risk. Especially considering how many times the RBs get injured.

A few months ago I was certain the Harris was in danger of not making the team. I figured he would be RB #4 and with Kuhn he would actually be #5. That one of the other SFA might take his spot on the bottom of the depth chart. Now he is almost certainly a lock. I know nothing of Perkins, Hill and Neal. Even so it will be a shock if 2 of the 3 were to make the team.
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Dulak
10 years ago

Google Nick Collins' injury and the majority of articles that come up cite a herniated disc.

Regardless, just as you admit we don't know the full extent or specifics regarding Franklin's injury, we don't know the details of Collins' injury. Yet this hasn't stopped you from trying to speak from a position of authority on it in just about every thread involving injuries.

Collins also wasn't kicked; he lunged at a Panthers running back that hurdled him, unintentionally spearing the running back on the bottom of his upper thigh/rear end.

And regarding your comment about me laughing, you're right. I am. I don't trust bronze age "medicine" that's been shown to be little more than a placebo effect, especially when you're proposing we trust it to ensure the structural integrity of someone's neck when that person's job involves taking repeated, violent shots to the body. That sounds like a recipe for paralysis.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Sorry but I got to say this ... bleh ...

Just because MDs and surgeons have the public believing the best thing to do for X issue is to take something or cut it out - doesnt mean it is the right thing for people. I dont propose the alternative medicine is the cure all or should be relied on 100%.

but IMO if people used surgery as a last resort; there would be a lot more happier people out there.

I think Nerdmann and I just get frustrated when we see 'healthy' people get surgery and then suffer afterward; as a result their condition returning because surgery does not fix the root cause or losing their NFL career.




steveishere
10 years ago

Sorry but I got to say this ... bleh ...

Just because MDs and surgeons have the public believing the best thing to do for X issue is to take something or cut it out - doesnt mean it is the right thing for people. I dont propose the alternative medicine is the cure all or should be relied on 100%.

but IMO if people used surgery as a last resort; there would be a lot more happier people out there.

I think Nerdmann and I just get frustrated when we see 'healthy' people get surgery and then suffer afterward; as a result their condition returning because surgery does not fix the root cause or losing their NFL career.




Originally Posted by: Dulak 



I haven't seen anything suggesting Nick Collins is suffering at all, he just can't play football.
Dulak
10 years ago

I haven't seen anything suggesting Nick Collins is suffering at all, he just can't play football.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



As far as him suffering after surgery; your right we'd have to ask him how is his neck and can we do the things he wants to do with it. We do know he cant play football.




mi_keys
10 years ago

Sorry but I got to say this ... bleh ...

Just because MDs and surgeons have the public believing the best thing to do for X issue is to take something or cut it out - doesnt mean it is the right thing for people. I dont propose the alternative medicine is the cure all or should be relied on 100%.

but IMO if people used surgery as a last resort; there would be a lot more happier people out there.

I think Nerdmann and I just get frustrated when we see 'healthy' people get surgery and then suffer afterward; as a result their condition returning because surgery does not fix the root cause or losing their NFL career.




Originally Posted by: Dulak 



Just because I, and evidently many others on here for that matter, find acupuncture to be utter bs (other than being a placebo effect) based on what studies I've seen doesn't mean we blindly assume everything doctors, surgeons or other health professionals tell us is 100% accurate. There are undoubtedly times when health professionals make mistakes or are overzealous in the prescribed solution.

But I'd also warrant that mistakes and overzealous care are far less likely for professional athletes given the resources and alternative opinions available to them that the common layperson will just never have.

The fallibility of surgeons doesn't make acupuncture or alternative medicine correct.
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steveishere
10 years ago

As far as him suffering after surgery; your right we'd have to ask him how is his neck and can we do the things he wants to do with it. We do know he cant play football.




Originally Posted by: Dulak 



and just because some alternative may have helped some average Joe with a neck injury doesn't mean the same treatment would make it safe for Nick Collins to play football again. I'm sure Collins had plenty of insight into various treatments and such. I see no reason or evidence to assume that him having surgery was a mistake. Players have had the surgery before and still played football it just didn't work out in his case.
DoddPower
10 years ago

Just because I, and evidently many others on here for that matter, find acupuncture to be utter bs (other than being a placebo effect) based on what studies I've seen doesn't mean we blindly assume everything doctors, surgeons or other health professionals tell us is 100% accurate. There are undoubtedly times when health professionals make mistakes or are overzealous in the prescribed solution.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Although I disagree with the placebo claim, does it really matter? Often, perception is reality. If a placebo eliminates the symptoms, than the placebo is just as good as "actual treatment or medicine." The ends justify the means. The brain and mind are powerful things.

Either way, the philosophy of most chiropractic and alternative medicine work is that the body can often heal itself as long as it's allowed to do so. The goal of the treatment is to simply do whatever it takes to facilitate the bodies natural healing processes. Nothing more, really. A few quacks don't represent the majority, just like they shouldn't for western medicine. It's by no means a cure-all, but it's very often a useful and effective component of a treatment regiment. One that is far under-utilized by western medicine. The goal is to target the core issue rather than only the symptoms, which western medicine focuses on almost exclusively for many issues.
evad04
10 years ago
When I heard the awful news yesterday and my mind wandered for a moment, I suspected nerdmann would be leading charge for chiropractic care and alternative medicine. Lucky guess.

I think that Franklin should have have invested in a tarot cards, palm reading, electrodiagnosis, cell salts, a sweat lodge and one of those old fashioned vibrating belts.

Oh and while we're at it, he's a Libra. He should probably look into that.

Career might not be over yet. He just needs to explore his options.

*cough* Bullshit *cough*
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evad04
10 years ago

I see Franklin as the 4th best of the 4 - Lacy, Starks, Harris, and him. Maybe it's selfish as a Packer fan, but I'd rather see him done than go on to a good career with some other team.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



I think your perspective goes far beyond "selfish." Think for a second about what you've said.

The young man is 24 years old and has, like the rest of the league, spent the majority of his life working toward a singular goal: a career in the NFL. A season in and that dream has been shattered.

I know professional athletes make millions of dollars and live glamorous lives, but Franklin sure as shit wasn't to that point yet.

You'd rather see his time as a Packer end because of a spinal cord injury than for him to go on to have a successful career with some other team?

That's cold, man.
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