DoddPower
11 years ago

How many productive players in their prime does this guy not resign? Very few. Yes, he will let go of players looking for that last big contract that most likely is a better deal for the player than the team. These are players at that last big contract stage that most likely won't be productive in the last years of the deal. A lot of people bitched about not resigning Jenkins but he was not worth what he was paid after leaving Green Bay.

Originally Posted by: warhawk 



I think Jenkins would have been well worth the three or so million dollars he signed with the Eagles for. The Packers might not have gotten the same kind of deal, but strictly from a financial perspective, Jenkins was a bargain, imo.

steveishere
11 years ago

I think Jenkins would have been well worth the three or so million dollars he signed with the Eagles for. The Packers might not have gotten the same kind of deal, but strictly from a financial perspective, Jenkins was a bargain, imo.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Considering the Eagles restructured him after 1 year then cut him after 2 of a 5 year deal he probably wasn't worth it.
DoddPower
11 years ago

Considering the Eagles restructured him after 1 year then cut him after 2 of a 5 year deal he probably wasn't worth it.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I don't know, I thought he gave enough production for at least a season to be worth a few million. I certainly would have liked him on the Packers for 3-4 million. I thought he only signed a one year deal with the Eagles initially anyway?
steveishere
11 years ago

I don't know, I thought he gave enough production for at least a season to be worth a few million. I certainly would have liked him on the Packers for 3-4 million. I thought he only signed a one year deal with the Eagles initially anyway?

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



He signed for 5y/25m
mi_keys
11 years ago

He signed for 5y/25m

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I'm pretty sure he also completely fell off the face of the earth after starting out on fire the first half of his first season in Philly. The bottom line with Jenkins is that the failure wasn't in letting him go, it was in not replacing him.
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warhawk
11 years ago

I'm pretty sure he also completely fell off the face of the earth after starting out on fire the first half of his first season in Philly. The bottom line with Jenkins is that the failure wasn't in letting him go, it was in not replacing him.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



No, they didn't replace him but Ted Thompson did not make the mistake of getting away from what he does and that is let players on the edge of past prime to move on. It would have been a much bigger mistake to pay Jenkins what the market called for at the time.

It will always be a challenge for any GM to replace a Jenkins in his prime but to know when it's time to move on is what also gives Ted Thompson the ability to keep players like Cobb and Nelson that he KNOWS has plenty left in the tank.

The teams that really struggle are those that sign a Jenkins and as a result lose a Cobb or Nelson. That's a serious double bad right there.




"The train is leaving the station."
steveishere
11 years ago

I'm pretty sure he also completely fell off the face of the earth after starting out on fire the first half of his first season in Philly. The bottom line with Jenkins is that the failure wasn't in letting him go, it was in not replacing him.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Well we've replaced him at this point with Daniels. I would change it to "not having his replacement already" though I'm sure they thought that was Neal but he couldn't stay healthy enough.
mi_keys
11 years ago

Well we've replaced him at this point with Daniels. I would change it to "not having his replacement already" though I'm sure they thought that was Neal but he couldn't stay healthy enough.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Right. I'm hopeful that we have the front 7 back to where it needs to be. I like dominating the line of scrimmage.

To be most accurate, we lost players like Jenkins (age/free agency), Collins (injury) and Woodson (age/injury) and we didn't replace them with or have the replacements ready with the same level of talent at that position or otherwise. If you have a stretch of 5 years with an elite safety and an average pass rusher, and you replace them with an elite pass rusher and an average safety (arguments over the importance of a given position aside), you will be more or less at the same level you were before even though you haven't "replaced" the elite safety.

We had a dip post 2010 in the level of talent through a number of sources, some of which were out of our control. Coaching hasn't been as good either. Hopefully, we're back in the upswing. The margins can be fine between the top teams and the dregs of the league. A unit can hinge on one piece. It's one of the reasons why we see such swings year to year in the league and it's why it didn't take much for our defense to go from the 2nd scoring defense in 2010 to utter shit the next year.

I'd agree that Neal was a guy they were looking to fill, at least in part, the Jenkins shoes. Unfortunately, he was hurt early on and we are only recently starting to get any value out of him (though not touching Jenkins prime yet, if he ever does). If Daniels continues to progress the way he did last year he will more than replace Jenkins, though. If we can get a similar jump out of Datone and Raji returns to 75% of the form he had in 2010, with Peppers and Matthews the defensive front could dominate.
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