I don't know whether or not it's blatant sarcasm, but I'm in agreement that Hawk was supposed to be a superstar. At the same time, he hasn't actually been a liability to the defense. His play hay been adequate. Good enough? Of course not.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 

We're talking James Jones here, but to clarify a known fact. A.J. Hawk was never supposed to be a superstar. He was supposed to be a safe pick, a pick that had already reached his ceiling. Vernon Davis was supposed to be a superstar. He had a high ceiling. Hawk is who he was when drafted. An accountable player who isn't flashy. Hawk isn't the problem for the defense, or even the linebackers.


As for James Jones. I think after the report of how deep of a draft this is, he's gone.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Lol I really dont see jones getting 8ish million a year

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

I actually think he is going to resign with the Packers for $3M a year. Doesn't mean I think he is anywhere near the talent of player that is Nelson or Cobb - or that I don't cringe every time he is running with the football. James Jones is damn lucky our defense held out in the Eagles and Steelers playoff games in 2010, or his touchdown drops would have sent him into the unemployment line that season where he got very little free agent interest. Like I've said many times, Packers fans overvalue their players. And we have some major flawed offenders of this in this very forum.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

I haven't really seen anybody here "overvaluing" James Jones. It seems to me like most here have been saying he's a decent WR and would be nice to keep but wouldn't be heartbroken if he left. Seems more like you are just inventing those people so you can be the edgy negative guy or something. Like you are just waiting for someone to say anything remotely positive about him so you can jump all over it with your "OMG you guys are overrating him he fumbled in this one game in 2007, everyone things James Jones is the best guy in the NFL" or some such comment.

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Originally Posted by: steveishere 

You and Texas should go take a canoe trip and discuss what you know about how I think. Jones has concentration lapses, or like my grasshopper always says - shits himself.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

I'll pass on that. He'd probably tip over the boat.

You and I are on the same side of this, Dakota. That's been happening a lot lately - Raji, Shields, etc. That's a little bit disturbing hahahaha.

It does seem like Jones has made more than his share of bad plays over the years; He also has made some spectacular ones. I think he will get a lot more than $3 million a year from somebody - not the Packers - there's a big difference between 3 and 8.

Bottom line for me is I feel more comfortable with Boykin as the third wide receiver than Jones.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Naw, Boykin is good in the fourth slot. If our defensive player at 21 isn't there, I want Uncle Ted to take a big WR and piss everybody off. It would be insurance in case Cobb or Jordy can't be resigned and would also serve a big need for the loss of Finley.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

Packers will NOT be selecting a player 21st overall that will be on the roster in three years.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Let's not forget The Packers already have these guys under contract.

Sederrick Cunningham, Kevin Dorsey, Alex Gillette, Chris Harper,

Seeing it is very unlikely a WR drafted this year would make any type of contribution to the team, and with the guys listed above having already went through a year, I think Ted will give them every chance to step up and take the #4 and possibly #5 spots.

With Riley Cooper getting a 5yr 25 mil. contract, that sets a price for Cobb and Nelson, looking very unlikely James Jones will be back.

I still hope something can be worked out, even if JJ is gone, don't think Ted is going to waste a high draft pick on WR.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 

Jones for $3.5 million a year? I don't see that happening. I think he wants a whole lot more, and I expect somebody to offer a lot more - in the Cooper range at least.

Obviously none of those 4 mentioned are the least bit proven. I do have high hopes, however, for Dorsey and maybe Harper. I would expect one of them and/or a low round pick to be the 4th and 5th receivers.

I still say, I'd rather have Boykin receiving passes than James Jones.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

I highly doubt 3.5 will cut it either and I agree somewhere in the Cooper range is probably accurate. I guess I am not as high on Boykin as you are. He has youth going for him over Jones and IMO that's it. He certainly may develop to be as good as Jones but right now I don't see it. I'm just glad we are talking about who will be our #3 guy and not our #1.

Originally Posted by: sschind 

So I guess Sidney Rice is available. lol

Originally Posted by: nerdmann