buckeyepackfan
10 years ago

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Green Bay Packers want more production from strong safety Morgan Burnett.

That's no secret.

But during an interview at his hotel during a break from the NFL scouting combine, Packers coach Mike McCarthy offered a defense — and an honest assessment — of Burnett's play in 2013 after he signed a four-year, $24.75 million contract last July.

"You know, I don't think it's, 'Oh my God, he's a bust,'" McCarthy said.

Rob Demovsky  wrote:





What, this can't be.

I wish I would have generated the article published just a few days ago saying Morgan Burnette's Contract was one of the 5 worse signings in Ted Thompsons tenure.

Maybe Mike is just trying to sugarcoat things, more disinformation, but I think it's just a case of a Reporter trying to generate readers.

I tend to let the coaches do their jobs and go with the flow of their decisions.
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Laser Gunns
10 years ago
What do you expect him to say.

They've praised Jarrett Bush for fucks sake.

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buckeyepackfan
10 years ago

What do you expect him to say.

They've praised Jarrett Bush for fucks sake.

Originally Posted by: Laser Gunns 



And Jarrett Bush has turned himself into one of the best ST Gunners in the league, while becoming a decent fill in when needed because of injuries.

I'll give you a little hint about Jarret Bush, if everyone on The Packers roster would put in the work Bush does in preparing to play, The Packers as a team would be a hell of a lot better!!!

Instead of wasting your time making these uninformed negative remarks, why don't you spend a little time getting to know the players on the roster.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/jarrett-bush-known-for-his-grueling-workouts-b9975723z1-219709871.html?page=1 


Edit: Before you post about how Bush failed to keep contain on the 3rd down Kaepernick run, I'll save you a little embarassment by telling you to go to the 13:25 mark of the link below and watch.

http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Packers-Live-Andrew-Quarless/5385c028-7843-4b5c-a4a5-9da0f41aacb1 

A players evaluation for the season, game, or even one play can change a whole lot when coaches break down the game on film, instead of going with the so often posted "knee-jerk" instant analysis.

Maybe that is why Burnett received a positive comment from Mike, it's his job to break down the film evaluate players.
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RaiderPride
10 years ago
As always Buckeye I love reading the threads you start. You are a pioneer in thread development.

Funny as it might be... Mike is right.

He IS NOT A BUST. Not yet at least.

Remember Collins' first three years? So many people called him a bust after his third year. How about Sharper. (Forget the news now.) As an player, he was brutal his first and second year, tolerable his third, and a pro bowler after that.

It is tough position to play, and experience is a big jack in the arm.

He is so far from a bust. WATCH THIS YEAR!
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10 years ago
It takes a little while before we can apply the label. Right now he is in the "disappointing" section.
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play2win
10 years ago
1. He should be moved back to FS, where he played well alongside Collins.
2. He needs a good player to team up with at SS.

Playing out of position with no help will make anyone look bad. This was not a good way for him to develop, and he clearly took monster steps backwards. Sometimes I shake my head at the things this coaching staff does, not to mention, the personnel staff. I go back to Tramon's end of season comments. Not only was he calling out the personnel staff for not adding capable talent, he was calling out the younger guys for not putting forth the effort in preparation, without coming right out and saying it.

"You're challenged with young guys," Williams said, a day after the Packers were knocked out of the playoffs. "Talented, young guys get played, but the game is still fast for them because they don't understand what teams are trying to do, they don't understand the scheme fully, they don't understand what the scheme can do for them, if they understand it.

"That's what you're faced with. Plus, the preparation. A lot of guys thought they knew how to prepare when they were in college, but then you get to the league and you find out there's another level to preparation. That's what you're faced with, with young guys. Even though we say it's a young league, yeah, it's a young league.

"It's an old league, too, because old guys make the league go."



The Packers have suffered through many growing pains at safety since Nick Collins was forced to retire and it has cost them. They put all their chips on Morgan Burnett, M.D. Jennings and Jerron McMillian and none of them advanced to a level Sam Shields or even Micah Hyde did.

And Thompson never brought in a veteran to stabilize the position.

Williams said he would express his opinions about the need for more veterans, but he wasn't demanding anything be done. He said that his experience is that veterans help the team both on the field and in the locker room.

"That’s the guys who have been there before, who know how to prepare, who molds the young guys," Williams said. "That’s what they’re there for. I understand I had the privilege of playing with (Charles) Woodson and Collins and Al Harris. I understand what chemistry in the secondary can do. That’s what you try to find when you get a good group of guys. You want to get guys all on the same page.

"You want guys to see things the way you see it if you’re the supposed leader of that group. When you can get guys to that point, slow the game down for everyone on that back end, then that’s when you start seeing a lot of plays being made, whether it’s your play or not, you know where the ball is going and you go and make the play. That’s what we’re trying to get.

"We have a great group of young guys in this room, but they’re young. They can play very talented, but still they’re young."



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These two things have been an issue for 3 seasons, to our detriment. I don't think it is all on Morgan Burnett.
nerdmann
10 years ago
He's having to cover up the mistakes of other guys, which puts him on the edge of where he's supposed to be. Therefore he's not optimally in position.

He's not opening his pie hole and blaming others either. Morgan Burnett is the least of my worries on this D.
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play2win
10 years ago

He's having to cover up the mistakes of other guys, which puts him on the edge of where he's supposed to be. Therefore he's not optimally in position.

He's not opening his pie hole and blaming others either. Morgan Burnett is the least of my worries on this D.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I have a lot of hope that we add a top talent at SS, moving Burnett back to FS, and we see better days in our secondary. Pick Fest 2014.
sschind
10 years ago
Bush didn't go to Ohio State by any chance did he?

All joking aside buckeyepackfan I agree with you 100%. We see a play or two that a player messes up and that is all that we remember. Bush knows his role on this team. He as accepted it and embraced it and worked to be one of the best in the league at it. The question eventually becomes can we afford it (its a luxury just like a highly priced #3 or #4 WR) but when we start letting guys like Bush go and we start missing their play on the field people will start to remember things other than the bad.


As for Burnett, I agree with others that said his play has suffered due to the lack of talent around him. He is apparently not that type of player who makes everyone around him play better but with talented guys around him he is a very good player. We need to get those talented players around him.
musccy
10 years ago




As for Burnett, I agree with others that said his play has suffered due to the lack of talent around him. He is apparently not that type of player who makes everyone around him play better but with talented guys around him he is a very good player. We need to get those talented players around him.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I don't even entirely agree with this. He had a pretty bad year. So did CM3. So did Raji (at a very inopportune time). I'm not willing to write him off yet.

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