texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
At this early stage, it's mostly only relevant to consider positions. I'm glad to read they are saying Safety. I'm thankful it ain't TE. As for Pryor, my question is , can he cover? There's a reason the Packers tend to avoid hard hitting Safeties. A lot of them can't cover - a higher priority.

The elephant in the draft room, of course, is what if anything do we pick up in free agency. Byrd would be nice, especially since I suspect there won't be much in that category of the draft when our turn comes.
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beast
11 years ago

Yeah I have a hard time accepting the fact that he will be the BPA. He may be the best S available but Ted almost never takes the player at a need position if someone considerably better is still on the board.

Originally Posted by: wpr 


Ted Thompson 2nd picks often seem like a position of need and/or position that has an important FA that year or the next year at the same position.

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11 years ago

At this early stage, it's mostly only relevant to consider positions. I'm glad to read they are saying Safety. I'm thankful it ain't TE. As for Pryor, my question is , can he cover? There's a reason the Packers tend to avoid hard hitting Safeties. A lot of them can't cover - a higher priority.

The elephant in the draft room, of course, is what if anything do we pick up in free agency. Byrd would be nice, especially since I suspect there won't be much in that category of the draft when our turn comes.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



The jury is still out on whether or not he can cover. That is why I view Pryor as someone to trade up for in the second as of now.
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play2win
11 years ago

I'm continually becoming more and more infatuated with Ra'shede Hageman . He's so big and has the long arms necessary to excel as a defensive end in a 3-4, or on the inside. I'm definitely going to be keeping my eye on him.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Wow, DoddPower! Thanks for the headsup. This player looks phenomenal. I would love for Ted to pop on Jairus Byrd in FA, then draft this kid. Those two players added to our D could be a huge improvement.

We need Safety help so badly, but pounding the trenches early in the draft with top talent always makes sense.
11 years ago
At this time last year Kiper had the Packers taking Barrett Jones G/C Alabama
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PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago

Yeah I have a hard time accepting the fact that he will be the BPA. He may be the best S available but Ted almost never takes the player at a need position if someone considerably better is still on the board.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I hate the BPA term. It is really BPAFP (Best player available for Packers). Need is always considered when ranking players. Players with more talent may be ranked lower than another if they play a position we don't need as bad. Ted's final board is a combination of so many factors.
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago
Packers should have selected Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis. Stupid Ted Thompson. STUPID!! We all seen that Hawk would blow like Raji.
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Rockmolder
11 years ago

A lot of the draft guys I follow on twitter seem to think he's 1st round quality and I've been seeing it before Kiper came out with his thing. There's really no reason at this point to think he's a reach in the first round. He's got the production and physical ability for it.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Do you have any sources for that?

Not that I don't trust you. Your posts are always insightful and I fully believe you, but I must've been looking at the wrong Mocks then and I always like to find some more draftnicks to follow.
Rockmolder
11 years ago

I'm continually becoming more and more infatuated with Ra'shede Hageman . He's so big and has the long arms necessary to excel as a defensive end in a 3-4, or on the inside. I'm definitely going to be keeping my eye on him.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



If he falls to 21, there's no doubt in my mind we should take him... At this point. Maybe if he does horribly at the Combine that'll change. Can't imagine that happening, though.

At this time last year Kiper had the Packers taking Barrett Jones G/C Alabama

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



Ah, yeah, I remember that hype. Didn't he go in the 4th?

I hate the BPA term. It is really BPAFP (Best player available for Packers). Need is always considered when ranking players. Players with more talent may be ranked lower than another if they play a position we don't need as bad. Ted's final board is a combination of so many factors.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Maybe it is, but it shouldn't. I truly believe that, maybe except for STs and QB, you always go BPA, taking into consideration positional value.

That's how the Giants build that ridiculous DE nucleous, that's how the Lions built that D-line and that's how we build our WR to start with. Maybe it looks like overkill at some points, but I'd rather have 3 elite DEs that I can rotate, than 2 elite DEs and a good ILB.

But I agree with you, we draft BPAFP, as you coined it. That's how a guy like Cordarelle Patterson wasn't drafted last year. Or, at least, I think. I obviously can't look at the Packers bigboard.
PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago

That's how a guy like Cordarelle Patterson wasn't drafted last year. Or, at least, I think. I obviously can't look at the Packers bigboard.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



Our defense would be just as bad, and I can only imagine what people would be saying had we drafted a WR in the first round last year.

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