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wpr
Preferred Member

11 years ago

I'm thinking you're more of a fan of the NFL Draft than the Packers. Which is fine of course.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Look at one of his earlier posts and Rocky says he loves the draft. He is pretty good at it too.

Rockmolder
Honored Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

#42

B.J. Raji was selected 9th overall
Clay Matthews III was selected 26th overall

Yep, Raji was the better pick.

It does not matter what draft slot you have, it matters what selection you make and how they fit your scheme. So what did the Bears win net us? A thrilling memory (top 3 moment for Rodgers btw) of eliminating our rival from the playoffs. Another ho-hum Division Championship and a CHANCE to win it all. It also netted a great playoff experience for my girls and my dad.

I'm thinking you're more of a fan of the NFL Draft than the Packers. Which is fine of course.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Or both. Again, I said I was on the fence about this one. I do very much believe that I'm a Packer fan first and foremost.

As for your rather selective point... Let's go back 10 years. The 2004 NFL Draft.

The first 16 picks had 11 Pro Bowlers (most of them deservedly so) out of 30 in the entire draft.

Of course it's not a certainty that you get a better player if you draft earlier, but there's a reason the draft order is the way it is, right? We took Scott Wells in the 7th round that year, but that doesn't mean that stocking up on 7th rounders is the holy grail.

I don't think that there's anyone who'd argue that we'd rather have Richardson than Jones last year.

It makes a difference. Maybe not substantial enough for most here to trade in that win and play-off experience, but it does make a difference. And with the great ending against Chicago and the nailbiter against 49ers, I'm not sure which I'd have preffered, either.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

#43

Selective point? You went back TEN years, I went back just a few and used the Packers to boot! You're being selective.

Do analysis on all 10 drafts from the top 16 selected, you can even omit the Lions picks because well I don't think that's fair to anyone lol

Rockmolder
Honored Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

#44

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I chose 10 years at random. Could've done 15, 20 or 5, as wel. Anyway, if I find the time to do that tomorrow, I gladly will.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

#45

I chose 10 years at random. Could've done 15, 20 or 5, as wel. Anyway, if I find the time to do that tomorrow, I gladly will.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder

Rather than using Pro Bowl, I think All Pro would be indicative. Pro Bowl is a joke and NFL has acknowledged as such with their fantasy draft setup this year.

You didn't choose it randomly, you chose it to enforce your point. Which is what most of us do with stats. [grin1]

Rockmolder
Honored Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

#46

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Here you go. It still doesn't really prove that much, as there are so many variables. Teams in the 2nd part of the draft generally draft better, so their percentage should be higher. Reaches on QBs in the top 15. Both skew it favorably for the 2nd part of the first round.

The Pro Bowl, on the other side, is still very much a hype contest. Easier to get into when you're already hyped as a top 10 pick.

Anyway, I remember Rourke doing a thread on statistics meeting football a couple of years ago. This thing is far from in depth, so if anyone feels a bit bored now that the season is over, feel free to add on to it.

EDIT: This download site sucks, but I can't upload anything on PH. Keep getting "String or binary data would be truncated".

http://www.sendspace.com/file/6foel2

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

#47

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder

Did you find that thread by Rourke?

I do get your point that the higher you select, the more fish you have to choose from. I just vehemently disagree that the Packers didn't win. Besides, does it really matter with Ted Thompson drafting? His 1st round picks haven't been ringers regardless of 5th overall or 32nd overall.

I wonder if teams drafting in top half of the draft would have more players in the Pro Bowl because chances are they have to play right away.

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