VinceLambeauStarr
11 years ago
Morning all,

The last time a seismic change occurred in our defense was on the back of a 6-10 season. We changed to 3-4, canned Sanders and bought in Dirty Dom. The starting base defensive 11 in 2008 was

Kampman
Jolly
Pickett
Jenkins (IR'd)
Hawk
Barnett (IR'd)
Poppinga
Harris
Woodson
Bigby
Collins

We changed to a 3-4, and though their was immediate improvement, the growing pains were obvious (Steelers, Cardinals etc).

Now, my question to y'all is, with the current personnel on board, how best to further develop the current defensive crop. Would you rather switch to a 4-3 (Daniels, Perry, Neal, Maybe Jones would PROBABLY Benefit from this change), or do we stick with the 3-4, Capers or not, and keep looking to add pieces to make this unit competitive again.

I would love a change, personally, for better or worse. You can't expect to do the same things over and over again and expect different results.

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nerdmann
11 years ago
Philosophically, I like the 3-4 better. There's more surprise involved, and I feel like it's a more aggressive philosophy.

That said, more teams are running it now, so it might be easier to pick up 4-3 players. Indeed, we have a roster full of them.

Btw, I've heard Poppinga is still in Green Bay. He's keeping in shape and supposedly claims he could still play. Just sayin.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
The thing I take from VLS's original post is that Sander's last defense (did we really go just 6-10 that season?) had a LOT better personnel than the current team - and being plain vanilla and poorly handled, it screwed up pretty royally. Capers came in - with virtually the same personnel then - and improved things greatly his first couple of years. Then, things were allowed (by our greatly esteemed - around here - GM) to go down hill. Just look at what we have starting now compared to what we had starting then.

I actually prefer a 4-3 philosophically. When Capers came in, I was kinda negative about the prospects of jumping to a 3-4. I quickly came around, however, based on the success those first two Capers 3-4 seasons.

The bottom line is, when your personnel is substandard - as the Packers D is (along with the O-Line, backup QB, and RB until this season), you need to do something to compensate. Capers' genius/schemes turned mediocre personnel into a tough defense then. Now, he turns abjectly bad personnel into a mediocre defense. If you think it's bad now, just imagine what we'd have with plain vanilla or whatever - today's personnel WITHOUT Capers' schemes.

Thanks again, Ted.
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nerdmann
11 years ago

The thing I take from VLS's original post is that Sander's last defense (did we really go just 6-10 that season?) had a LOT better personnel than the current team - and being plain vanilla and poorly handled, it screwed up pretty royally. Capers came in - with virtually the same personnel then - and improved things greatly his first couple of years. Then, things were allowed (by our greatly esteemed - around here - GM) to go down hill. Just look at what we have starting now compared to what we had starting then.

I actually prefer a 4-3 philosophically. When Capers came in, I was kinda negative about the prospects of jumping to a 3-4. I quickly came around, however, based on the success those first two Capers 3-4 seasons.

The bottom line is, when your personnel is substandard - as the Packers D is (along with the O-Line, backup QB, and RB until this season), you need to do something to compensate. Capers' genius/schemes turned mediocre personnel into a tough defense then. Now, he turns abjectly bad personnel into a mediocre defense. If you think it's bad now, just imagine what we'd have with plain vanilla or whatever - today's personnel WITHOUT Capers' schemes.

Thanks again, Ted.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Capers has a track record of coming in, putting up excellent numbers, then coasting for the next few years. Was Ted his GM everywhere he's coached?
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