shield4life
11 years ago
I'm more pissed about us not being able to convert the turnovers into touchdowns. That close down the field we need to get more TD with the talent we've got on offense. We should of had at least 2 TD instead of FG's if offense had actually showed up. Only players that showed up today we're actually Franklin & Starks on the offense.
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John252
11 years ago
It's a bit difficult for Rodgers to mount a comeback when all his passes are getting tipped since the O-line is getting dominated. It's what most ball games come down to - how effective your offensive/defensive lines are.

Then again having key members of the team dropping like flies can't help either.
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hardrocker950
11 years ago
Most irritating part of this game - Cinci shot themselves in the foot several times, and rather than making the most of it the pack took the gun from them and shot themselves right back.

I was disappointed in the 4th and inches - instead of going with a sweep or anything to make the defense have to adjust - we see the usual Mike McCarthy "rushing" play call. This "up the middle" boneheaded call caused a fumble circus that costed us the lead.

I could name numerous things that made me shout 4 letter beauties, but I think we can all name the obvious ones.

Let's get healthy and clean these mistakes up!
Gaycandybacon
11 years ago

Most irritating part of this game - Cinci shot themselves in the foot several times, and rather than making the most of it the pack took the gun from them and shot themselves right back.

I was disappointed in the 4th and inches - instead of going with a sweep or anything to make the defense have to adjust - we see the usual Mike McCarthy "rushing" play call. This "up the middle" boneheaded call caused a fumble circus that costed us the lead.

I could name numerous things that made me shout 4 letter beauties, but I think we can all name the obvious ones.

Let's get healthy and clean these mistakes up!

Originally Posted by: hardrocker950 



Ya the Rodgers interception to hall and that 4th down stupid call (feel bad for franklin even though you can't drop the rock at all times) Made me say Feck a lot too. Burnett and Hayward back against the lions? Should be a good return.
macbob
11 years ago

Aaron does need to do something about this whole "4th quarter curse" thing.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Maybe we need to tag team a QB for the 4th Qtr...

Tim Tebow's available...just sayin'... :-"
play2win
11 years ago

This means nothing, unless it can be compared to at least Brett Favre and Mike McCarthy and Favre and Mike Holmgren.

Show us those numbers please. If not, then that stat is as useful as saying the team with the most points wins 100% of the time.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Are you crazy? How is 0-18 insignificant and meaningless? We get down on good teams and we apparently cannot come from behind for the win.

My bigger point is that this is not all on Aaron Rodgers, as Mike McCarthy has to pull his head out of his ass and start having all phases of his team ready to take the field, including himself and his staff. The 0-17 figure prior to losing this last one came from another report that I posted a link to.

Why is our Kick Returner still dropping balls back there 3 weeks into the season, when this was a problem going into the season? Clearly, the problem went unaddressed.

Some fans may be unfamiliar with Bill Kenney, the Kansas City Chiefs’ signal caller from the 1980s. Most fans who even know Kenney are scratching their heads right now to figure out what he has to do with Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers.

Bill who?

On the surface, the two have very little in common. But they share one startling similarity: Rodgers and Kenney are two of the worst quarterbacks of all time when it comes to fourth-quarter comeback opportunities:
Rodgers is 3-18 (.143)
Kenney was 3-27 (.100)
Rodgers was a first-round pick drafted to replace the legendary Brett Favre, while Kenney was Miami’s Mr. Irrelevant choice in the 1978 draft. He was technically next to last, but the final pick never made it to training camp so Kenney got the title. The Chiefs drafted Todd Blackledge in 1983 to replace Kenney.

Kenney was an average quarterback with a 34-43 record as a starter, and his only playoff appearance was coming off the bench in a defeat. Kenney is the only Mr. Irrelevant to ever make the Pro Bowl, as he was an alternate for his 1983 season in which he became the fourth NFL quarterback to throw for 4,000 yards in a season, beating Lynn Dickey (the fifth) by a day.

Rodgers is statistically out of this world. He has gone 41-21 in the last four years and won a Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP in 2010. In 69 games, Rodgers already has 27 more touchdown passes and 89 more passing yards than Kenney had in his career (106 games).

But Kenney and Rodgers do have quite a bit in common.

Kenney and Rodgers are two of only five quarterbacks to produce a game with four touchdown passes and two touchdown runs. They both even had 38 pass attempts in that game. But that is a one-game comparison that just makes for interesting trivia.

The statistical similarities we are talking about go much deeper than one game, or one season for that matter. The greater similarity is that Rodgers, like Kenney, has consistently failed to come up big in critical fourth-quarter comeback opportuntiies.

It is the reason Kenney was not held in higher regard in his day, and it's the reason that has kept Rodgers from even more success in Green Bay.

A refresher in case you forgot your Captain Comeback terminology: a fourth-quarter comeback opportunity is when an offense has possession of the ball in the fourth quarter, trailing by 1-8 points (one score).

And Rodgers falls far short of most of his contemporaries. Consider Giants QB Eli Manning and Cowboys QB Tony Romo.
Manning, who knocked the 15-1 Packers out of the playoffs last season, is 21-22 (.488) in fourth-quarter comeback opportunities.
Romo, who is widely perceived as a huge choker, is 13-20 (.394) in fourth-quarter comeback opportuntiies.
Hell, even JaMarcus Russell was 3-6 in his short career; he was a defensive stop away from 4-5, and one of his other losses came when Justin Fargas fumbled the ball on the drive’s only play.

Some believe these things even out over the years, but Kenney played nine seasons, and Rodgers’ record involves the last five. How many years does one need to display a good or bad record in close games before you believe it is more than just a random fluke?

At some point, pure dumb luck should have given them a boost. Instead, Rodgers is Mr. Irrelevant in the fourth quarter, much like Kenney was Mr Irrelevant in the draft.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/aaron-rodgers-mr-irrelevant-fourth-quarter/15278/
Zero2Cool
11 years ago

Are you crazy? How is 0-18 insignificant and meaningless?

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Are you going to share what was requested or is this just another dismissive stat that we have nothing to compare it to? It seems kind of obvious to me that a team that is above .500 is going to win, as indicated by their record.

Stats are great, I love them, but it really justify them, you need something to compare them to. I'm interested in seeing Favre/McCarthy or even Favre/Holmgren. You were able to collected Rodgers/McCarthy. I have confidence you can do this.



Edit, oh, and yes, I am.
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play2win
11 years ago

Are you going to share what was requested or is this just another dismissive stat that we have nothing to compare it to? It seems kind of obvious to me that a team that is above .500 is going to win, as indicated by their record.

Stats are great, I love them, but it really justify them, you need something to compare them to. I'm interested in seeing Favre/McCarthy or even Favre/Holmgren. You were able to collected Rodgers/McCarthy. I have confidence you can do this.



Edit, oh, and yes, I am.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Hahaha. Actually, I recall looking into Favre a long time ago regarding this, and he was not great at the 4th quarter comebacks either. Hence, the one Superbowl title... He should have had many.

BTW, I edited my post with some info on Rodgers. Meh, I don't like it, but there it is. In ALL game winning drives, Rodgers was just 6-20 at the time the article was written (July, 2012), a .231 winning percentage.

Edit, oh, and I knew you were. That was hardly a question.
Zero2Cool
11 years ago
I don't like it either. I actually feel more comfortable with Mason Crosby kicking a game winning 47 yard FG than Aaron Rodgers trying to drive for a touchdown to win the game from 50 yards out and 90 seconds on the clock.

Rodgers is great when things are going his way. When he's getting roughed up and hit, he buckles, just like Tom Brady.
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play2win
11 years ago

I don't like it either. I actually feel more comfortable with Mason Crosby kicking a game winning 47 yard FG than Aaron Rodgers trying to drive for a touchdown to win the game from 50 yards out and 90 seconds on the clock.

Rodgers is great when things are going his way. When he's getting roughed up and hit, he buckles, just like Tom Brady.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



My wife is a very good football fan, and a diehard Packers fan, and she would freak out hearing you say that.😆 She does not care much for Mason Crosby.

The whole thing is really F'd up. Mike McCarthy owns a huge share of the blame. As the article was written in July 2012, I would say we are trending in the exact same direction if not worse. Figure, too, this is a historic rate that Rodgers/McCarthy and that Packers are losing close games.

JaMarcus Russell was better...

Here's some more. A total of FIVE 4th Quarter comebacks, 2 against the hapless Lions('08,'12), 2 against the hapless 2009 Bears, and 1 against the hapless Saints without their HC last year.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RodgAa00 

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/captain-comeback-career-records-the-clutch-for-active-qbs/16571/ 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2013/quarterbacks-game-winning-drive-study 

See how the best quarterbacks in the league largely make up the active leaders in GWDs? That is why Rodgers' 9-24 (.273) record at GWD opportunities continues to baffle me. Yeah, he's had some bad luck, but not significantly more so than the quarterbacks with more wins, which includes most of the league. A common trait with front-runner quarterbacks -- Len Dawson and Kurt Warner are two great examples -- is that even the few close wins they have are not that impressive. Rodgers has great stats on his nine GWDs (No. 4 in points per drive), but two of them came against the 2008 Lions (0-16). Another came against the Saints' awful defense last season.
His last GWD, at home against the 2012 Lions, was 59 yards and included seven running plays (handoffs). The closest thing to a signature drive is the one he had in New York (2011) in the final minute to set up a winning field goal to break a 35-35 tie. Given his career performance, I would like to see more from him in this area. It's a Green Bay problem, but the "best quarterback in the NFL" cannot have just nine GWDs against seven losing teams in five seasons.



Ugh....

And then, since you asked for it, Favre:

Brett Favre is supposed to stay retired, so hopefully that will spare us any chance of the media claiming he is chasing the comeback record. He is credited with 42, but only has 27 comebacks, and is not exactly known for any real famous ones. Maybe the long game-winning TD pass to Sterling Sharpe against the Lions in the playoffs would be worth mentioning. Just not a situation Favre thrived in. The opportunities were certainly there for him to have more than anyone, but he did not come through with the record amount. A propensity for turnovers via forced throws is not what you look for in a QB in this situation.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3401

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm 

Favre is tied at #5 with Fran Tarkenton.

Rodgers is tied at #169 with the likes of Andy Dalton, Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck. No shit. Tom Brady is #8 all-time, tied with Johnny Unitas.
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Martha Careful (12-Feb) : I would love to have them both, esp. Crosby, but either might be too expensive.
Zero2Cool (12-Feb) : Keisean Nixon is trying to get Maxx Crosby and Davante Adams lol
Mucky Tundra (11-Feb) : Yeah where did it go?
packerfanoutwest (11-Feb) : or did you resctrict access to that topic?
packerfanoutwest (11-Feb) : why did you remove the Playoff topic?
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Tua’s old DC won a Super Bowl Year 1 with Tua’s former backup
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : *winning MVP
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Funny observation I've heard: Carson Wentz was on the sideline for both Eagles Super Bowl wins w/guys supposed to be his back up winning
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : NFL thought it would get more attention week preceding Super Bowl.
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Yes, the Pro Bowl. It was played Sunday before Super Bowl from 2010-2022
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : pro bowl
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : From 2010 to 2022, it was played on the Sunday before the Super Bowl
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : They moved it to the BYE week before Super Bowl several years ago.
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : it was always after the SB.....
beast (10-Feb) : Though I stop following pro bowl years ago
beast (10-Feb) : I thought the pro game was before the Super Bowl?
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : ok now for the Pro Bowl Game in Hawaii
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : If I was Philly I would try to end it instead of punting it
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : VICTORY! We have (moral) victory!
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Hey they mentioned that we 3-peted
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : seems to me the 49ers should have traded Aiyuk when they had the chance
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : if the Eagles get it down to the 1, do they Tush Push or give it to Barkley?
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : 49ers have a money problem if they want to sign their QB
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Wait for real? Didn't he just get an extension two years ago?
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : 49ers gonna trade Deebo. Interesting
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Replays always never seem to show the holdings
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Great throw by Hurts
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Where Carter falls prey to bad off the field influences (to be clear, not saying he'd clip someone though)
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Had Carter not gone to Philly were they already had a lot of old college friends, he ends up in a similar spot to Aaron Hernandez
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : I think some of his coaches told scouts to stay away
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : the street racing incident+conditioning and motivation problems
beast (10-Feb) : Then Carter was street racing, where the other car crashed and people died... and other teams were scared to pick Carter for some reason
beast (10-Feb) : I think the Saints traded up, giving their next year 1st to the Eagles, and then they sucked and Eagles got the 10th overall pick
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : wtf Barkley?
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Getting Carter and Nolan Smith in the first round in 2023 was pretty darn good
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : for some reason i'm thinking of a draft where the Eagles where in the mid 20s and a top player fell all the way to them
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : I think so. I would need to look it up. Think it may have been Carolina's pick.
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : i'm not sure who i'm thinking of now
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : oh fuck me i messed that up
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Jordan Davis was 13th overall
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Carter was 9th overall
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Eagles had 15th and 10th selections, moved to 13 and 9 to get Davis and Carter back to back
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Eagles traded up for Carter, didn't they?
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Obviously he was a huge risk but getting a top 5 talent on the dline in the mid 20s is fortuitous
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Jalen Carter falling into their lap certainly helps
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : And we could only wish to have this type of D
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : It's not like Philly has had low draft picks, but has managed to get themselves a top notch pass rush. We spend so much draft capital of D
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : another crap halftime show
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : I think it is over, but then I think of Atlanta and want Philly to go in with the same intensity in the second half
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