obi1
16 years ago
Will somebody please define the difference between not playing to lose and playing to win?
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Zero2Cool
16 years ago

Will somebody please define the difference between not playing to lose and playing to win?

"obi1" wrote:



Playing to win would be goin for the juggler, the knockout punch. Taking a risk by throwing one deep a time or two trying to catch the team off guard.

Playing not to lose, is not taking those chances cuz they could be intercepted or what not and just doing safe run plays to eat clock.


I could go more in depth, but I'm tired.
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all_about_da_packers
16 years ago

Oh....and again Zombie....you are right. WAY too conservative on the play calling. MM looks like he;s calling plays not to lose.......not calling them to WIN.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:




That is very true. It's pretty annoying too.

"Cheesey" wrote:





Maybe one of you would care to explain to me exactly why you are criticizing McCarthy's play calling given the fact that often times the QB has a run/pass option that he must decide on at the line of scrimiage based on the look the D is giving him.

Let's face it, no doubt Rodgers has picked some bad options compared to Favre, who had 17 years of experience to see Defences vs Rodgers 3.
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bozz_2006
16 years ago
yeah, and the rest of the starters are a year older, have a year more experience, and need to pick up the slack a little bit for the kid.
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DarkaneRules
16 years ago
I can read what the defenses are doing. They are running toward our QB, our line isn't blocking them, and they sack him. :tongue:
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Greg C.
16 years ago

Will somebody please define the difference between not playing to lose and playing to win?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Playing to win would be goin for the juggler, the knockout punch. Taking a risk by throwing one deep a time or two trying to catch the team off guard.

Playing not to lose, is not taking those chances cuz they could be intercepted or what not and just doing safe run plays to eat clock.


I could go more in depth, but I'm tired.

"obi1" wrote:



What if they try to throw deep, but the QB gets sacked because one or two linemen can't hold their blocks? Then the fans complain that they should've run the ball or thrown a short pass.

These play-calling debates can go around and around forever. When the Packers lose (and even when they win, for that matter) fans will say one of two things:

1. The play-calling was too conservative.

2. They gave up on the running game too soon.

Sometimes the fans say both of those things at the same time. Sometimes there is some truth to the criticisms, but what it really comes down to is that the players have to win their battles. And they're not winning those battles enough, especially on the offensive line.
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Cheesey
16 years ago

Oh....and again Zombie....you are right. WAY too conservative on the play calling. MM looks like he;s calling plays not to lose.......not calling them to WIN.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:




That is very true. It's pretty annoying too.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:





Maybe one of you would care to explain to me exactly why you are criticizing McCarthy's play calling given the fact that often times the QB has a run/pass option that he must decide on at the line of scrimiage based on the look the D is giving him.

Let's face it, no doubt Rodgers has picked some bad options compared to Favre, who had 17 years of experience to see Defences vs Rodgers 3.

"Cheesey" wrote:


Well.......that may or may not be so. I don't know if Rodgers has that big of a choice in what he does on first down. If HE is the one calling running plays on 1st that don't work, you would THINK the coach would tell him to stop doing that, and go to a pass......you know.......after 3 quarters of it NOT working. If i was the coach, i'd try that.
But thats just me.
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Zero2Cool
16 years ago

Will somebody please define the difference between not playing to lose and playing to win?

"Greg C." wrote:



Playing to win would be goin for the juggler, the knockout punch. Taking a risk by throwing one deep a time or two trying to catch the team off guard.

Playing not to lose, is not taking those chances cuz they could be intercepted or what not and just doing safe run plays to eat clock.


I could go more in depth, but I'm tired.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



What if they try to throw deep, but the QB gets sacked because one or two linemen can't hold their blocks? Then the fans complain that they should've run the ball or thrown a short pass.

These play-calling debates can go around and around forever. When the Packers lose (and even when they win, for that matter) fans will say one of two things:

1. The play-calling was too conservative.

2. They gave up on the running game too soon.

Sometimes the fans say both of those things at the same time. Sometimes there is some truth to the criticisms, but what it really comes down to is that the players have to win their battles. And they're not winning those battles enough, especially on the offensive line.

"obi1" wrote:




I understand how football works. I know if you don't have time to throw it deep, you can't. I also know that Aaron Rodgers can audible out of plays too. I'm not sure if he can audible to ANY play or a group of plays.

Shotgun gives you an extra second to throw it deep.
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TOPackerFan
16 years ago
With the way our D is playing the run, I'm pretty concerned about that Atlanta game. I could see Turner going off for 200 yards we're playing so badly vs. the run.
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16 years ago

That is what I think we will be at..

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Hey 93z, you know that I've always admired your prognostication abilities! ::wink:

93z nails it! 

"pack93z" wrote:



LOL... okay so I was a little off..

I always knew you were a packer fan at heart.. PackRules. :lol:
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