Again, he is going to be the single largest positon. 5% is a lot more than .5%, but that isn't going to be the deciding factor.

All of the coaches have a part in it. Look at the difference between Fare with Holmgren and without.

The GM building the team has a lot to do with winning.

That isn't even getting into the players yet. Rodgers has nothing to do with how the D or ST play.That alone is more than half the game.

Vince had the greatest post season QB ever and he still said teams win.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 

Are 95% of the losses Rodgers fault?

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 

You continually seem to overstate or add things to what others have said. I simply said the QB position contributes more than any other single position in the NFL. Nothing more, nothing less. You're welcome to further the discussion obviously, but it wasn't the point of any comment I made, so please don't frame it as such. I'm glad you agree.



I hope that wasn't in response to my mention of 95%, because if it was, you completely missed the point (once again) and could use some reading comprehension tutoring. I simply said that ~95% of the time (or better yet, I should have said the vast majority), the QB position has more influence than any other position in the NFL.

Otherwise, I think Rodgers or any other QB does have something to do with how the defense plays, and vice-versa. If nothing else, it can factor into how many opportunities each unit has.

You keep stating that Vince said "teams win." I think that's universally accepted, and who's denying that? I'm certainly not, but thanks for reminding me of a nice quote multiple times. However, it has nothing to do with the posts I've made on this topic.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 

I said 5% (how much credit I would give a QB) is 10 times the influence of .5%,(how much credit the other players would probably average) so essentially I was agreeing with the point that the QB is a bigger factor. Probably all the time, not just 95% of the time.

So I did get what your were saying. I was just going another level beyond what you were saying.

The Point I was making, the one that you didn't seem follow, is you can't hang losses on or credit wins to a player that is responsible for about 5% of what goes into winning or losing.

The QB is the player with the single biggest role. But when adding it all together, he doesn't win or lose the game.

The QB has a minor to insignificant role in the running game and is less than half the passing game, when you add in receivers and blocking. I would also give half the credit for what the QB does to coaching and management. Coaching for preparation scheme, training, etc. The management gets credit for scouting, and building the team around the QB.

None of that even touches on D and ST which are more than half the game.

Which brings me back to what Vince said.

It was true when he said it and it is true now.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister