Have the Pack finally found their rushing attack?· Page 4

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

not really

Originally Posted by: steveishere

This team does not consistently have an advantage in time of possession. The stat means nothing to Mike. If anything, he goes out of his way to avoid it, because he is focuses more on scoring points, than he is on preventing the other team from scoring points.

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steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#32

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

The defense has more to do with that than the offense. They give away first downs like candy in a parade whether they've been on the field recently or not.

DakotaT
Select Member

11 years ago

#33

The defense has more to do with that than the offense. They give away first downs like candy in a parade whether they've been on the field recently or not.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

I agree with you Steve. This defense plays like spoiled children with the luxury of wealthy parents. There is no sense of urgency with them because they know the offense can score at will. It's time for an attitude adjustment. Getting Bishop and Perry back on the field will help. And I'm really hoping Jones brings the adjustment to the offensive line.

PackerTraxx
Senior Member

11 years ago

#34

The offense and the defense both play into tiring themselves and the other team. It's pretty agreeable that our offense is more talented than our defense, last year partly because of injuries. They need to think of the team as a whole. With that thought that's what made it disappointing when the offense didn't take the 5-8 yards when it was available on 1st or 2nd down, keep the weaker part of our team off the field. It was disappointing when the D kept putting the opponent in 3rd and long and let them keep getting 1st downs, that was lack of talent, partially due to injuries. As mentioned hopefully Jones and getting Perry, Moses, Bishop and whoever else back remedy that. Maybe with Lacy, Franklin and Harris plus Bulaga, Sherrod and young player development the offense controls the game even better we'll improve and be able to keep up with the SFs, Seattles, and Denvers of the the world.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#35

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

I thought our defense really stepped up last year.

First of all you have those young DBs. Hayward in particular. Then you've got DJ Smith and subsequently Brad Jones. Those guys stepped in and performed admirably.

Even on the DL. Sure we had some issues, there, but much of that is from playing guys like BJ Raji and Pickett too many snaps. But again, it's more important to be able to keep chucking it deep than to help the defense.

Hopefully the young RBs can bring safeties up, although if I'm a DCoord playing the Packers, I'll let them run all day. Because I know they won't, even if they can.

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steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#36

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Raji played 59% of snaps this year and Pickett was even less. I don't really see how that is playing too many snaps. You are wrong about the offense. They get a lot of first downs and don't turn the ball over or punt very often. When they do have to punt it usually ends with the defense in good field position. They don't go 3 and out very often either. All of this weighs more heavily than "well they score too fast sometimes". The defense doesn't have any excuses as far as the offense helping them out IMO. They don't get off the field because they don't get themselves off the field. The offense is high efficiency and one of the best in the league. If that's not good enough for the defense to operate with then it's the defense who has a problem.

Not to even mention your ridiculous "chucking it deep all the time" statements when 68% of Rodgers passes were within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. A whole 1% less than "dink and dunk" Tom Brady.

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#37

Everyone is making valid points.

I did a little digging and as always Time of possession is important but the one stat that always tells the tale is turnover ratio.
These are Regular Season #'s only

............avg. time of possession....turnover ratio......record

2010.......... 32:01..............................+10................10-6

2011...........30:29..............................+24................15-1

2012...........30:26..............................+07................11-5

I believe if any of you want to do a little more digging, that you will find The Packers were in negegative #'s in both of their post season defeats the past 2 years.

Hopefully with the guys coming back from injury and with the guys who make the team for the 1st time, The Packers can get back to their ball-hawking, take away mode that seemed to work so well in 2011.

The defense does this, with the addition of Lacy and Franklin, That avg. time of possession could go up.

Gonna have to check at the end of the year, but I am betting if The Packers avg. T.O.P. is around 35:00 and their turnover ratio is +20 or higher, you will find them at the top of the olayoff pile.

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