Gaycandybacon
12 years ago

Thanks Macbob.

I was one of the people who did the research and concluded that D is #1 and QB is #2 (and RB is irrelevant).

Gay is new to the site so probably hasn't seen that stuff. Long story short, Gay. I had an argument with RaiderPride awhile back. He said "Defense wins championships" and I said he was full of it. So I did research to prove him wrong and ended up proving him right.

If you look at all the SB winners, they generally are in the top 5 in Defense (counted by Points Allowed, the most important defensive stat). Our 4 SB winners were #1,#3,#1, and #2 respectively. No coincidence. Of course, having an elite QB is the #2 factor. In all four of those games, we had elite QBs - Bart Starr, Bart Starr, Brett Favre, and Aaron Rodgers respectively.

The one SB we lost, our D was #5. We didn't get the sacks we did the year before when we were #1. Which of course brings us to 2010 vs 2011. 2010, we had the #2 D and high 40s in sacks. 2011, we had the #19 D and high 20s in sacks. Our 2011 QB was better than our 2010 QB, but there is no doubt in my mind that the 2010 team would have slaughtered the 2011 team if they met in the Playoffs.

So yes, QB is the most important position. No argument there. But as a unit, D is more important than the QB position when it comes to winning Championships.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



Very nice reasearch. I had a feeling that most of the SB winners were top 10 D's. Interesting. 🤔
zombieslayer
12 years ago

Very nice reasearch. I had a feeling that most of the SB winners were top 10 D's. Interesting. :-k

Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon 



Just for you, my new friend. Unfortunately, most of my other research is still on that website that should not be named.

http://www.packershome.com/yaf_postst10776_The-importance-of-Defense-in-Packers--History.aspx 

Funny before we won the SB in 2010, I wrote this article with the hope that since we had the #1 D (Pittsburgh ended up barely beating us by the end of the season), we had a pretty good chance to win the SB that year. Turned out of course, we did.

Enjoy.



(And just so you know, I'm a QB fan. I wish QB was > D, but my research showed it wasn't so).
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12 years ago

The NFL’s trade deadline is this week (it was moved back from Tuesday to Thursday because of Hurricane Sandy) and the Green Bay Packers are reportedly looking to make a move — for St. Louis Rams running back Steven Jackson.

This isn’t the first time the Packers have been connected to Jackson, who seems to be taking a back seat to rookie Daryl Richardson, but that doesn’t mean a move is imminent.

Dallas, Arizona and Pittsburgh are also reportedly interested in the 29-year-old. The one thing that is for sure is the Rams are looking to move on.

Both Jackson and the Rams have mutually agreed to let him opt out of his contract after the season.

We’re not really sure the move would make sense for the Packers, since no one can open a hole for Alex Green. Then again, Jackson is a bruiser who can break tackles and that’s obviously what you need when your back is always getting hit in the backfield. Cedric Benson, who also fits that mold, was effective before going down with a foot injury.

The question then turns to how much Jackson has left. He’s had more than 1,000 yards in seven straight seasons. He has 403 so far this season and is averaging 3.7 per carry. So the evidence suggests Jackson has some left in the tank.

It’s hard to see Ted Thompson paying much for a guy who might only be with the team for half a season though.



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12 years ago

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Originally Posted by: wpr 



and all you guys thought i was crazy, someone in packerland is listening to me !! lol
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zombieslayer
12 years ago

and all you guys thought i was crazy, someone in packerland is listening to me !! lol

Originally Posted by: nyrpack 



Well, you may be right, but that still doesn't mean you're not crazy. [grin1]

Hope you and yours are OK. I've seen pictures and video. Pretty scary to be in NY right now.
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Pack93z
12 years ago
So according to the St Louis rag.. Rams want a 3rd round pick for Jackson.

I believe that to be more than Ted would be willing to give up for a rental.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1663/steven-jackson 

Steven Jackson - RB - Rams
According to ESPN's John Clayton, there's been "no action right now" on Steven Jackson in trade talks.
Reliable colleague Adam Schefter had previously reported that the Rams have already fielded not just phone calls but offers from several teams. "Don't expect a trade," says Clayton, however, citing the prohibitive $3.705 million remaining on Jackson's salary. DeAngelo Williams "probably is unlikely" to be dealt, says Clayton. It's hard to imagine Williams being amendable to adjusting his salary, which has $2.779 million remaining. Per Yahoo's Brian McIntyre, a Williams trade would also cost the Panthers $1.4 million more against the 2013 cap than an offseason release. Clayton believes LeGarrette Blount "may be the most tradeable" back on the market, as he's due less than $300,000 the rest of the way and may only cost a seventh-round pick.
Related: DeAngelo Williams, LeGarrette Blount






The St. Louis Post-Dispatch believes it's become "painfully obvious" that the Steven Jackson era with the Rams is "drawing to a close."

The paper believes inquiring teams are only "window shopping" at the trade deadline because they're too smart to meet a third-round asking price, and it's not worth dealing Jackson for anything less than that. The reworking of Jackson's contract and the elevation of Daryl Richardson to a timeshare role, however, suggest the rebuilding Rams will move on from the 29-year-old team leader this offseason. Oct 30 - 2:19 PM


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Pack93z
12 years ago
If the Packers make a move to acquire a back.. this options seems more realistic in my mind.


"Several" league executives tell CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora that they would not be surprised if LeGarrette Blount were shipped out of Tampa Bay prior to Tuesday's 4PM ET trade deadline. 

The same execs named Rams WR Steve Smith, Browns QB Colt McCoy, and Dolphins QB Matt Moore as trade candidates, although the latter is much less likely with Ryan Tannehill coming off Week 8 knee and quad injuries. A Blount trade would probably the least surprising of the group. The Bucs can move forward with D.J. Ware and rookie Michael Smith behind featured workhorse Doug Martin. We suspect they couldn't get back more than a sixth- or seventh-round pick.


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Pack93z
12 years ago
Now.. I have to go here with this topic.. just because it is me.

Here is the ranking of Free agent backs currently available... why trade anything with a couple of these options out there. Or at least bringing them in for workouts before trading value away to garner another back.

I think the Packers aren't that worried about the Back spot right now..


Running Backs

1. Tim Hightower
2. Ryan Grant
3. Steve Slaton

4. Thomas Jones
5. Joseph Addai
6. Mewelde Moore
7. Kahlil Bell
8. Cadillac Williams
9. Tyrell Sutton  - A fan favorite in GB a couple years ago.
10. Ryan Torain
11. Maurice Morris
12. Rock Cartwright
13. Dimitri Nance
14. Lonyae Miller
15. Jerious Norwood
16. Sammy Morris
17. Chester Taylor
18. Deji Karim
19. Kregg Lumpkin
20. Xavier Omon
21. Harvey Unga
22. Kareem Huggins
23. Davin Meggett
24. Herb Donaldson
25. Chad Spann


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RajiRoar
12 years ago

If the Packers make a move to acquire a back.. this options seems more realistic in my mind.


Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



I Really like Blount as a RB, I love bruiser type backs.

but as a person he is a PoS, and as a teammate also a PoS.

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PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago

I Really like Blount as a RB, I love bruiser type backs.

but as a person he is a PoS, and as a teammate also a PoS.

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar 



I don't know if I would go that far. He has had some well documented issues, but I can think of a few Packers who have thrown punches.
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