Green's Production 2012 wk6· Page 3

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

12 years ago

He had over 500 carries over 5 years without any fumbles before his 3 this season. I am saying GB doesn't need Lynch to be successful.

Originally Posted by: wpr

He hasn't had 500 carries this season so that is not relevant to my response. It was a bad player to use.

Packers need a RB who
Always gets positive yards, even if its 1 yard.
Never fumbles
Superb pass protection
Average and above receiving out of backfield

Those are dime a dozen!!! [grin1]

wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

#22

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

don't be such a fn ass.

I intentionally used an average, vanilla player to say GB can still win with someone like that. They don't need Lynch which was nermann's original premise.

And Green-Ellis' prior career abilities do matter because I say the do. he is my example not yours. you want to twist what I am saying by taking a small sample size. I prefer to use his whole career because it is a better indicator of his abilities and a couple of weeks this year.

Gaycandybacon
Member

12 years ago

#23

He hasn't had 500 carries this season so that is not relevant to my response. It was a bad player to use.

Packers need a RB who
Always gets positive yards, even if its 1 yard. Theres not 1 back in the NFL that ALWAYS gets positive yards...
Never fumbles We've never fumbled once this year to my knowledge and rarely fumbled in the past
Superb pass protection Been pretty good so far from a RBs POV
Average and above receiving out of backfield [wallme] We have Cobb that does that, plus Green and Kuhn shown that ablity even todays game
Those are dime a dozen!!! [grin1]

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Packfan87
Rookie

12 years ago

#24

I'm not sure what to take of Green yet. I like what I've seen from him as far as pass protection and receiving out of the backfield but he's also left a lot of yards on the field(tripping etc...).

All in all I don't think we can make a fair assessment of a player after two games in what is essentially his rookie season.

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RaiderPride
Senior Member

12 years ago

#25

My opine. I think I am close to being sorta right.

Every team has a structure for what talents and production they need out of a running back. It varies based on the QB, the team strengths, and of course the O-Line that that team has in a particular season, or reign.

For example.. Pretend you could take any running back in history and put him in this years starting line up. Who would you put in as the starter?

Kevin my friend.. Please do not say Barry Sanders. That would be the wrong answer, even though he is the most exciting of all time.

For this present Packer offence, structure, and O line... If I could pick any running back in history to put in the 2012 line up....I would put Earl Campbell in the line up rather than Barry Sanders. Eric Dickerson, Gayle Sayers, O.J. Simpson, most anyone else...

I reckon what I am saying is every Offense has different skills they need out of a running back.

OK.. Go ahead now.. Trash my theory : )

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zombieslayer
Registered

12 years ago

#26

he did just enough to by Aaron Rodgers time to throw the ball. We are not looking for a guy who will get 150 yards rushing. He did get some key yards on passes to give them a first down. Don't make him one dimensional.

Originally Posted by: wpr

Exactly. 20 carries for 35 yards is exactly what I want out of a RB.

That way, we'll get our carries and no way in hell he'll ask for more than a million a year with a straight face.

My man Donald Driver

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zombieslayer
Registered

12 years ago

#27

haha wow... The guy didn't do half bad. Made some great catches and got us first downs. You're to hard on him, it's his 2nd game starting for crist sake and we've won both times he's carried the rock. He's carried the ball for 40+ times in 2 games that's good enough in my book!

I think Zombie said he'd get 35 on 20 carries? The man is psychic.

Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon

Yeah, I said something like that.

He did exactly what I wanted him to do - get 20+ carries. Could care less about the yards.

My man Donald Driver

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nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#28

Exactly. 20 carries for 35 yards is exactly what I want out of a RB.

That way, we'll get our carries and no way in hell he'll ask for more than a million a year with a straight face.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

So Bjack is your ideal RB?

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zombieslayer
Registered

12 years ago

#29

So Bjack is your ideal RB?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Yes. He's my perfect RB. He can block very well. He's a decent receiver. And he can't run the ball worth a damn but at least he doesn't fumble. And he'll never make much $$$, money that could be used on important positions.

My man Donald Driver

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PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#30

To rank the problems with the run game. Has to be Scheme, blocking and then backs. And scheme is 1/2 the reason the blocking is bad. We haven't been able to consistently block the scheme since McCarthy took over. Today they went back to what was causing Benson to have not so good production. Too many shotgun draws. It is to predictable and easy to protect against. We don't have counter plays in the zone scheme. If the RB is lined to Rodgers left, the run has to go to the right. So defense does't have to think which way they need to protect.

Get Rodgers under center and run inside, let the oline block more forward instead of this crap sideways blocking. Let the horses up front do what lineman enjoy most. pushing the guy in front of them out of the way.

I have had about enough of being in 3rd and 1 or less, and not even attempting to line up with a threat of running. Teams no matter how good they pass game is, should be able to get 1 yard on the ground, and we never even try.

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