nerdmann
12 years ago

We did play a lot of man as well we aren't just playing zone and Pack93z is dead on you have to play some zones. The Bears are mostly zone and they have holes that can be exploited by good QB's but they make you drive the full length and you can put up yards but zone becomes difficult to pass on when it's in the red zone. If you have everyone in man coverage and one guy slips up, nobody will be looking at the ball and that's going to be a big play.

I personally liked the 2 man we played against the bears. We played trail technique 2 safeties deep to help out the CB's in man coverage. If your LB's can play zone but pass the WR/TE up the field in tight coverage to the safeties that's going to be your best bet. In dime or nickle your coverage over the middle of the field should be able to cover that well. Sometimes a QB is going to thread a needle like Brees did in a few cases and you just have to tip your hat.

An offense like the Saints you need to be realistic about though. You are not going to simply shut them out. They will put up minimum 24 points IMO unless you really have long drives. You have to eliminate the big plays . The one on shields on the miscommunication was unacceptable. Other than that we forced a lot of FG's and played them MUCH better than we did last year. We were more on par with 2010. In 2010 against elite offenses we usually gave up 25 points or so.

In reality we should not have gave up 32 points to an offense like the 49ers, they are a solid football team but that was easily the worst showing this year when you take into context the style of football team that they are.

We got to find a way to get our middle zones to cover the WR up the field a little further and not just allow them to walk past and sit in the opening.

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Agreed, Brees is a Dan Marino type passer. He's gonna complete some throws against you.
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12 years ago
I realize that zone has to be played at least some of the time. I also realize that all 8 backers (LB and DB) are not going to be in man to man coverage on any play. I am not even sure it is possible unless you are double covering almost everyone. But there is something to be said for the Corner who goes mono e mono with the Receiver and shuts him down. I am not worried about not being able to get the Int. If the Corner is covering the receiver like a wet blanket most of the time the ball is not going to be thrown that direction. Of course there will be plays like the ball Jones caught one handed without even seeing it. LOVED IT! Other WR will do the same. But out of 10 balls thrown like that 7 or 8 will be incomplete.

And certainly there is risk with m2m coverage if the defender falls or bites on the fake or something like that. There is risk getting out of bed in the morning. The advantage is being more aggressive. Better able to communicate. Less holes for the receiver to run to and sit. More able to shake up the WR. Someone said the other day the reason they are playing WR is they don't like to be hit. While that is a bit of an exaggeration we have seen many times receivers have an off day when the corner is a little tighter on the coverage. HoF WR Jerry Rice had one of his worst games when GB got tough with him in the playoffs. Was that 93 or 94?
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12 years ago

I realize that zone has to be played at least some of the time. I also realize that all 8 backers (LB and DB) are not going to be in man to man coverage on any play. I am not even sure it is possible unless you are double covering almost everyone. But there is something to be said for the Corner who goes mono e mono with the Receiver and shuts him down. I am not worried about not being able to get the Int. If the Corner is covering the receiver like a wet blanket most of the time the ball is not going to be thrown that direction. Of course there will be plays like the ball Jones caught one handed without even seeing it. LOVED IT! Other WR will do the same. But out of 10 balls thrown like that 7 or 8 will be incomplete.

And certainly there is risk with m2m coverage if the defender falls or bites on the fake or something like that. There is risk getting out of bed in the morning. The advantage is being more aggressive. Better able to communicate. Less holes for the receiver to run to and sit. More able to shake up the WR. Someone said the other day the reason they are playing WR is they don't like to be hit. While that is a bit of an exaggeration we have seen many times receivers have an off day when the corner is a little tighter on the coverage. HoF WR Jerry Rice had one of his worst games when GB got tough with him in the playoffs. Was that 93 or 94?

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Agree with everything you said. And then you have situations where you can play slightly off like tramon does and if they run a short out route you have the option to cut that off in a zone but if the WR runs up the field I'd like to see the CB not just let him go, he should carry him up the field.

The problem becomes when you have a guy like Colston in the slot, he will run straight down the field. That's where you need a nickle or dime out there and have one of Woodson, Hayward or another safety running with him cause if he's one on one with a LB that's going to be a tough match up.

So what I'm mostly saying is I don't like flat footed zones where they just stand and watch a receiver run by them even though they know there is a large void in the seam behind them.


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Agree with everything you said.

Originally Posted by: Rios39 



we can stop there. 👍

maybe I can use that in my signature. [grin1]
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Agree with everything you said. And then you have situations where you can play slightly off like tramon does and if they run a short out route you have the option to cut that off in a zone but if the WR runs up the field I'd like to see the CB not just let him go, he should carry him up the field.

The problem becomes when you have a guy like Colston in the slot, he will run straight down the field. That's where you need a nickle or dime out there and have one of Woodson, Hayward or another safety running with him cause if he's one on one with a LB that's going to be a tough match up.

So what I'm mostly saying is I don't like flat footed zones where they just stand and watch a receiver run by them even though they know there is a large void in the seam behind them.

Originally Posted by: Rios39 



you are right the flat footed zone are the worst.
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12 years ago

An offense like the Saints you need to be realistic about though. You are not going to simply shut them out. They will put up minimum 24 points IMO unless you really have long drives. You have to eliminate the big plays . The one on shields on the miscommunication was unacceptable. Other than that we forced a lot of FG's and played them MUCH better than we did last year. We were more on par with 2010. In 2010 against elite offenses we usually gave up 25 points or so.

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There were strides made in the run defense, but very little pertaining to the pass defense. They allowed 446 yards passing, which is more than last year. The two most disconcerting statistics were allowing Drew Brees to complete 65% of his passes, despite attempting over 50 passes. He also averaged eight yards per completion. The wide receivers weren’t necessarily breaking tackles, either. They were wide open. The Saints are without Sean Payton, who’s the best play caller in football. Yet, Brees still racked up season-high totals across the board. I saw a repeat of 2011 last year, and let’s face it, a phantom holding call kept New Orleans from the 30-point mark.

The only two pure cover two defenses are Chicago and Minnesota, so most defenses are adjusting. Everyone runs variations and the Packers do as well. However, they took a passive approach to defending New Orleans on Sunday. They were waiting for Drew Brees to make a mistake. They did the same thing a year ago. It didn’t happen then and it didn‘t happen now. That’s the frustration, in my opinion. They didn’t learn from previous mistakes.
Akexpat
12 years ago
all things being equal I agree with selecting the time and place to use both types of D and that it has a lot to do with match ups and your D squad vs the offense they are facing. That being said the only reason I tend to prefer m2m with our current D is I see a tendency for miss-communication between our DBs and Safeties (ie the blown coverage by Shields last weekend). Zone requires great communication and familiarity among the D to know where the players are and when to hand off between the layers and zones in the D.

from my amateur coaching couch some 8 time zones away from the action, the last 3 weekends we have played tight m2m but have still had problems with assignments when it came to zone.


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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

I saw a repeat of 2011 last year, and let’s face it, a phantom holding call kept New Orleans from the 30-point mark.

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What phantom holding call are you talking about?


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What phantom holding call are you talking about?

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I assume it was the last FG attempt.
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12 years ago

Yet, Brees still racked up season-high totals across the board. I saw a repeat of 2011 last year, and let’s face it, a phantom holding call kept New Orleans from the 30-point mark.

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Don't forget about the blown trap that wasn't over turned that extended a drive, the push off that allowed a TD that wasn't called, and the fumble that wasn't called correct.

Those combined for 119 yards passing for Brees and a TD and 10 points total.
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