stevegb
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12 years ago
I know its really really early in the season but both players have started the season very slowly, Charles is coming of a big injury and Johnson looks like a man who's just been paid and doesn't want to be there.

So I was wondering what do you guys think it would take for the packers to acquire one and would you do it because I believe pairing either of those two up with Benson would make a devastating offense unstoppable.

For Johnson I'd probably go as far to say 1&3 picks + a low tier player and for Charles I'd probably go a 1st or a 3rd and a player.
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Gaycandybacon
12 years ago
If they are starting off slowly why should we waste a high pick on them? We have a couple good backs already. I don't think we need to explore any RB options unless a injury accures. (Knock on wood)
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Because their both top tier talents in the nfl. The elite in the league get about 1500-2000 yards these days, we hover around 1000-1200. Two weeks ago we where talking about how to fix the running game now we are acting like after a week its fixed, if we had a chance at either players I'd expect us to make at least an offer.

Both players might be struggling but like I said before they have both shown and proven elite talent unlike Benson who has at most shown hes a good running back.

That is also why I don't mind giving up high picks for proven talent, we are at a stage of contention we don't need raw players out of college, I do understand the concern about Charles and his injury though but that would just degrade his value.

Draft picks are over-rated anyway, I'd like to see Ted Thompson revert back to his trading down ways but thats a different conversation.
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12 years ago
We can't afford either of them, especially CJ. And in no way do I have any temptation to ever have him remotely near our roster.
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Gaycandybacon
12 years ago

Because their both top tier talents in the nfl. The elite in the league get about 1500-2000 yards these days, we hover around 1000-1200. Two weeks ago we where talking about how to fix the running game now we are acting like after a week its fixed, if we had a chance at either players I'd expect us to make at least an offer.

Both players might be struggling but like I said before they have both shown and proven elite talent unlike Benson who has at most shown hes a good running back.

That is also why I don't mind giving up high picks for proven talent, we are at a stage of contention we don't need raw players out of college, I do understand the concern about Charles and his injury though but that would just degrade his value.

Draft picks are over-rated anyway, I'd like to see Ted Thompson revert back to his trading down ways but thats a different conversation.

Originally Posted by: stevegb 



I understand what you're saying, but getting those guys right now isn't top prority. Accuring one of them could be a huge risk. Chris Johnson hasn't been the same since 2009 and Charles has been unhealthy at times and really only had 1 solid season. None the less, I think we're ok with what we have. Benson is a solid back, a good replacement from Grant and Starks. 1000 yards the last 3 seasons. He can carry the rock well, and recieve out of the backfield. Alex Green is devoleping nicely. And Kuhn is a realiable HB/FB hybrid. And no it's far from fixed. We need to see consistant running week in and week out like the 2007 through 2009 season before we say it's fixed. Getting 1 of those 2 guys wouldn't fix the running game right away either. I would rather get some depth at the Oline position. If one of our Tackles goes down we could be in trouble.
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12 years ago
Work on the offensive line.
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12 years ago
What was wrong with the way CB ran the ball vs. the Bears?
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

What was wrong with the way CB ran the ball vs. the Bears?

Originally Posted by: DanJustDan29 



What cornerback?
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PackerTraxx
12 years ago
Maybe for a 3rd, no 1st. Johnson's speed would be intriguing as a change of pace for that.
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12 years ago

Work on the offensive line.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



This.

Barry Sanders or Jim Brown might be able to consistently run behind our OL as it currently performs.

But neither Charles nor Johnson are, or have ever been, Barry Sanders or Jim Brown.


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Zero2Cool
12 years ago
The Packers do not need a good to great to elite type of Running Back.

They need the following.
Good pass blocking
Average to good receiving the ball
Excellent ball security


That's why Brandon Jackson was beneficial to the Packers. He met the criteria.
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zombieslayer
12 years ago

I know its really really early in the season but both players have started the season very slowly, Charles is coming of a big injury and Johnson looks like a man who's just been paid and doesn't want to be there.

So I was wondering what do you guys think it would take for the packers to acquire one and would you do it because I believe pairing either of those two up with Benson would make a devastating offense unstoppable.

For Johnson I'd probably go as far to say 1&3 picks + a low tier player and for Charles I'd probably go a 1st or a 3rd and a player.

Originally Posted by: stevegb 



No, and no. Uncle 🇹🇹 won't give up draft picks for either of those washed up bums. And that's a good thing.

D wins championships, my friend. Our O is fine. Just needs to work on timing. Once 🇦🇷 and the boys get their timing fixed, we'll be top 10.

What matters is our D plays like the game 2 D instead of the game 1 D.

No wasting draft picks for washed up running backs. That is Zombieslayer GM rule #1. That's something the Vikings do, not us.
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QCHuskerFan
12 years ago
There is absolutely NO reason to invest top draft picks or big money in a RB. How many Super Bowls have Charles, Johnson, AP won? None. Because high priced running backs are to NFL success what G-strings are to protecting virginity. Which is the same to say as meaningless.

Let's look at it from a different perspective. Each team has roughly 60-70 offensive plays per game. If the Packers got stupid and went for one of the top RB's, everyone would think they should get lots of carries. The best RB's average ~5 yards per carry. Aaron Rodgers averages nearly 10yds/ pass attempt. Does anyone really think we need to take passing attempts away from the NFL MVP so we can hand the ball to a RB that is 3 seconds from blowing out a knee and being a useless drain on our payroll?

How many Super Bowls did John Elway win with the assortment of free agent RB's that Denver had? Quick, what stud RB has been carrying Tom Brady for all these years? Can someone explain the fascination with investing money in running the ball?

Would you rather invest in a washed up RB (Johnson) or invest in extending Greg Jennings? Because that is the type of financial reality Ted Thompson deals in.

The top 5 rushing teams after Week 2 in the NFL are Buffalo, Miami, San Fran, Washington and Chiefs. Those teams are a combined 5-5.

In 2011, the top 5 rushing teams were Denver, Houston, Carolina, Vikings and the Eagles. Combined record:35-45
In 2011, the top 5 passing teams were Saints, Patriots, Packers, Lions, & Giants. Combined records:60-20
Why the heck do we care about becoming a better rushing team?


How do you think the Bears feel about their big dollar RB right now? Forte gets a pretty big contract and now is gone after 1.5 games for an extended part of the season. Yes, it can happen to any player. But it happens more with RB's. They are just not worth the investment.
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QCHuskerFan
12 years ago
Here's a different perspective:

Think of RB's as if they were Playboy Bunnies. Young and Cheap is better than Old and Expensive. :-"
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12 years ago

There is absolutely NO reason to invest top draft picks or big money in a RB. How many Super Bowls have Charles, Johnson, AP won? None. Because high priced running backs are to NFL success what G-strings are to protecting virginity. Which is the same to say as meaningless.

Let's look at it from a different perspective. Each team has roughly 60-70 offensive plays per game. If the Packers got stupid and went for one of the top RB's, everyone would think they should get lots of carries. The best RB's average ~5 yards per carry. Aaron Rodgers averages nearly 10yds/ pass attempt. Does anyone really think we need to take passing attempts away from the NFL MVP so we can hand the ball to a RB that is 3 seconds from blowing out a knee and being a useless drain on our payroll?

How many Super Bowls did John Elway win with the assortment of free agent RB's that Denver had? Quick, what stud RB has been carrying Tom Brady for all these years? Can someone explain the fascination with investing money in running the ball?

Would you rather invest in a washed up RB (Johnson) or invest in extending Greg Jennings? Because that is the type of financial reality Ted Thompson deals in.

The top 5 rushing teams after Week 2 in the NFL are Buffalo, Miami, San Fran, Washington and Chiefs. Those teams are a combined 5-5.

In 2011, the top 5 rushing teams were Denver, Houston, Carolina, Vikings and the Eagles. Combined record:35-45
In 2011, the top 5 passing teams were Saints, Patriots, Packers, Lions, & Giants. Combined records:60-20
Why the heck do we care about becoming a better rushing team?


How do you think the Bears feel about their big dollar RB right now? Forte gets a pretty big contract and now is gone after 1.5 games for an extended part of the season. Yes, it can happen to any player. But it happens more with RB's. They are just not worth the investment.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



That said, speedy pass catching RBs could be a commodity. Look how we're using Cobb in the backfield right now. Remember how Sproles ate us alive in week 1 last year?
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Gaycandybacon
12 years ago

There is absolutely NO reason to invest top draft picks or big money in a RB. How many Super Bowls have Charles, Johnson, AP won? None. Because high priced running backs are to NFL success what G-strings are to protecting virginity. Which is the same to say as meaningless.

Let's look at it from a different perspective. Each team has roughly 60-70 offensive plays per game. If the Packers got stupid and went for one of the top RB's, everyone would think they should get lots of carries. The best RB's average ~5 yards per carry. Aaron Rodgers averages nearly 10yds/ pass attempt. Does anyone really think we need to take passing attempts away from the NFL MVP so we can hand the ball to a RB that is 3 seconds from blowing out a knee and being a useless drain on our payroll?

How many Super Bowls did John Elway win with the assortment of free agent RB's that Denver had? Quick, what stud RB has been carrying Tom Brady for all these years? Can someone explain the fascination with investing money in running the ball?

Would you rather invest in a washed up RB (Johnson) or invest in extending Greg Jennings? Because that is the type of financial reality Ted Thompson deals in.

The top 5 rushing teams after Week 2 in the NFL are Buffalo, Miami, San Fran, Washington and Chiefs. Those teams are a combined 5-5.

In 2011, the top 5 rushing teams were Denver, Houston, Carolina, Vikings and the Eagles. Combined record:35-45
In 2011, the top 5 passing teams were Saints, Patriots, Packers, Lions, & Giants. Combined records:60-20
Why the heck do we care about becoming a better rushing team?


How do you think the Bears feel about their big dollar RB right now? Forte gets a pretty big contract and now is gone after 1.5 games for an extended part of the season. Yes, it can happen to any player. But it happens more with RB's. They are just not worth the investment.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



I agree 100% I would rather draft and develop a Running Back or get a cheap vet than trade for a Top Tier Running back at a huge risk.

When is the last time you've seen a Running back get traded anyways? Usually teams get running backs in the Draft, or the teams accuire them in the offseason via Free Agency.

zombieslayer
12 years ago

Here's a different perspective:

Think of RB's as if they were Playboy Bunnies. Young and Cheap is better than Old and Expensive. :-"

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



Exactly.

There's limited $$$ in the NFL. The last place I want 🇹🇹 to invest his money is in the RB position. Luckily for us, this is one of 🇹🇹's mantras.
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PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago
When our Oline makes holes, our running game works. When our oline fails at opening holes our running game sucks. Neither of these two would change that. At 4 or 8 million depending, No thanks.
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PackerTraxx
12 years ago

I agree 100% I would rather draft and develop a Running Back or get a cheap vet than trade for a Top Tier Running back at a huge risk.

When is the last time you've seen a Running back get traded anyways? Usually teams get running backs in the Draft, or the teams accuire them in the offseason via Free Agency.

Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon 



We're going to play him Monday night...Marshawn Lynch. He very well might have been here if not for the Hawks getting involved.
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Gaycandybacon
12 years ago

We're going to play him Monday night...Marshawn Lynch. He very well might have been here if not for the Hawks getting involved.

Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx 



I forgot about him.....[oops2]
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