Zero2Cool
12 years ago

It was? Adding in the administrative costs, what did it cost again?

$24,000 per car? $45,000 per car? More?

Ahem.

It was about as dumb a boondoggle as there is.

Fortunately, as such things go (see, e.g. "quantitative easing"), it was a small program.

Kevin, Kevin, Kevin. You're such a smart guy in general. I just don't understand how you do not see how stupid His Highness's economic policies are.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



Those numbers are invalid and unverified. Watch, I can do that too.

Adding in all costs...

$11,500 per car and contributed to consumers paying less at the gas pump OOOH YOU FORGOT THAT HUH



(i really have no dog in this fight, other than proving some of you are too bias and fail to think of all aspects before slamming a view/perception) 😇
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12 years ago

Those numbers are invalid and unverified. Watch, I can do that too.

Adding in all costs...

$11,500 per car and contributed to consumers paying less at the gas pump OOOH YOU FORGOT THAT HUH



(i really have no dog in this fight, other than proving some of you are too bias and fail to think of all aspects before slamming a view/perception) 😇

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



1. Average put on a clunker per year: between 10,000 and 25,000. Take the high number.

2. Average MPG (clunker turned in): 15-18 MPG. Take the low number.
Average MPG (new car): 25-30 MPG. Take the high number.

3. Gallons of gas to drive #1 if clunker: 25,000 /15 = 1667 gallons.
Gallons of gas to drive #1 if new car: 25,000/30 = 834 gallons.

4. Average per gallon of gas: $3.25 - $4.00. Take the high number.

#3 x #4 (amount less paid at pump per car): $3,336.

5. Total number of clunkers turned in under program: 700,000.

6. Total number of clunkers that would have been turned in anyway as trade in on new car: 575,000.

7. Total number of "extra" clunkers turned in thanks to Cash for Clunkers program: (#5 - #6): 125,000.

8. Total amount spend by Feds on the program: $3 billion.

9. Cost per car (#8 divided by #7): $24,000.

Secondary source: CNN  . (Original study by Edmunds.com.)

10. Maximum amount received by owner of clunker for turning it in: $4,500.

So, to save a maximum of $3,336 + 4,500 = $7,836, the US Government spent $24,000.

This was a good idea how?

Yes, I am biased against government. I've never denied that. But I'm biased *because* of the evidence I've seen over the years, not despite it. Count the costs precisely, and you find this kind of "return" over and over again.

It isn't surprising since one of every two dollars spent by the US Government is what I call PeterPaul expenditure, or what is technically called "transfer payments," spending that simply takes from one pocket (robs Peter) and puts it in another (pays Paul). Don't believe me? Go to the government's own numbers, bea.gov, and find the figures for total government spending and transfer payments.

Bah.








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Porforis
12 years ago

1. Average put on a clunker per year: between 10,000 and 25,000. Take the high number.

2. Average MPG (clunker turned in): 15-18 MPG. Take the low number.
Average MPG (new car): 25-30 MPG. Take the high number.

3. Gallons of gas to drive #1 if clunker: 25,000 /15 = 1667 gallons.
Gallons of gas to drive #1 if new car: 25,000/30 = 834 gallons.

4. Average per gallon of gas: $3.25 - $4.00. Take the high number.

#3 x #4 (amount less paid at pump per car): $3,336.

5. Total number of clunkers turned in under program: 700,000.

6. Total number of clunkers that would have been turned in anyway as trade in on new car: 575,000.

7. Total number of "extra" clunkers turned in thanks to Cash for Clunkers program: (#5 - #6): 125,000.

8. Total amount spend by Feds on the program: $3 billion.

9. Cost per car (#8 divided by #7): $24,000.

Secondary source: CNN  . (Original study by Edmunds.com.)

10. Maximum amount received by owner of clunker for turning it in: $4,500.

So, to save a maximum of $3,336 + 4,500 = $7,836, the US Government spent $24,000.

This was a good idea how?

Yes, I am biased against government. I've never denied that. But I'm biased *because* of the evidence I've seen over the years, not despite it. Count the costs precisely, and you find this kind of "return" over and over again.

It isn't surprising since one of every two dollars spent by the US Government is what I call PeterPaul expenditure, or what is technically called "transfer payments," spending that simply takes from one pocket (robs Peter) and puts it in another (pays Paul). Don't believe me? Go to the government's own numbers, bea.gov, and find the figures for total government spending and transfer payments.

Bah

Originally Posted by: Wade 



One flaw in your math: You only take into account a year of gas savings. However, I think it balances out considering the fact that I think the 25k/year mileage figure is quite high, even for a "high" figure. And it doesn't really change your end conclusion, it just weakens the comparison a bit. If you hold onto the car for 10 years and you want to argue that if not for cash for clunkers you wouldn't have gotten rid of the clunker anyways within the next 10 years? Ridiculous argument but that's about the only way you could argue that this was cost-effective.
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I just heard one from an older member of my family, but its not exactly the most appetizing bar joke I've ever heard....
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So a man walks into a bar with a 12" man on his shoulder, the man sits down and orders a beer. The 12" man jumps off his perch and continues to run down the bar knocking down each and every beer, comes back, and jumps back on the man's shoulder. The bartender, obviously enraged, asks the man what this is all about? So the man replies, "sir, I was walking down the beach one day and found a bottle with a genie in it. He told me he would grant me one and only one wish." Ashamed, the man continued "I wished for a twelve inch prick..."
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