Wade
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12 years ago
I was wholly unsurprised that Ginsberg, Breyer, Sotomayer, and Kagan upheld the health care law. The former two are the intellectual descendants of William Brennan, the third has less legal acumen than a Walter Brennan character, and the fourth has less integrity than the person who appointed her.

I am disappointed in Roberts, however. (I shouldn't be, of course; just as pinhead Obama appointed pinheads Sotomayer and Kagan, it's hard to expect that pinhead Dubya would have been able to avoid at least one pinhead to the Court.)

I haven't read the opinions yet, but the "it's a tax provision and therefore okay" rationale is about as lame as it gets. Mr. Chief Justice, the individual mandate isn't just a tax provision. You're either a moron or a conservative statist swine, I don't know which.

US v. Darby Lumber and Wickard v. Filburn were bad enough. But those cases merely gutted the Commerce Clause. Thanks to your decision to enter the Pinhead Of The Year contest, National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius says the power to tax and can be more powerful than any individual freedom, not only because the Congress and the Treasury agents happen to be five-hundred pound bullies with bigger guns than anyone else, but because the Constitution legitimates their bullying.

It's bad enough to use taxes to catch Al Capone. Al Capone was a thug who committed murder, robbery, and assorted other offenses against criminal law and morality. It's wholly a different thing to use the power to tax to make someone into a criminal for practicing basic freedoms we have for choosing our own basic needs like health care.

It's bad enough that you use the democratic process to "give" me health care options I didn't ask for. It's bad enough that you use taxes in general to pay for your provision of those options. That's the nature of majoritarian politics: if the majority says "spend", it isn't just the majority that gets to pay higher taxes. We all do, whether the spending is on health care, imposing democracy in Iraq, or first class air travel for all U.S. Senators. The power to tax is the power to confiscate in the name of the "general welfare".

But it's a whole different matter if you tell me that the only reason I am being taxed is because I have chosen not to take your new options.

This is not refusing a deduction for health care expenses -- you can do that, too, just as you can refuse to give a deduction for credit card interest. I'm not entitled to any particular deduction unless you grant it to me. However, if I want to protect my health in non-deductible ways, I ought to be able to do that.

This individual mandate thing is a different kind of rule. This is the lord of the manor telling one of his serfs she can't get married until she gives the lord her virginity. And mandating health insurance should be no more justifiable by majoritarian political processes than droit de seigneur.

Mr. Chief Justice, what are you going to do when Congress passes and the President signs a bill saying every unwed mother of sufficient wealth will be taxed if she chooses not to abort in the first trimester? What are you going to do when Congress passes and the President signs a bill saying vegans are going to be taxed unless they buy so much USDA-certified beef and pork each year?

Benevolence is not a sufficient condition. I'll set aside the questions of whether government-provided health care is a good thing or not. That is not the problem with your "it's a tax" rationale. The problem with your rationale is that, just like the Darcy Lumber and Wickard courts, you have said that government power is more important than individual freedom to choose.

And you've said it not just with regard to our choice of recreational chemicals, hobbies, or other "luxury goods." You've said it with regard to a fundamental choice like health care. And if you didn't know this already, I'll let you in on a secret -- not just the Obamas and the Sotomayers and the Kagans, but lots of caring people like my friends Troy, Nick, Paul, and Kevin, consider health no less an important choice than food, shelter, clothing, association, and other fundamentals.

Hayek once spoke of us being on a particular road. I guess we've finally arrived at our destination. The Darcy Lumber court was content with you and the 10th amendment to a "truism." Thanks to you and your colleagues, Mr. Chief Justice, the Constitution and the Declaration are worth less than the parchment they are printed on. The power to tax is the supreme law of the land.

We're just serfs, after all.

p.s. I thought Mr. Obama was going to run away with the Pinhead of the Year award yet again, but rest assured, Mr. Roberts, you're definitely in the lead now.
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Wade
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12 years ago
Just one bit from the opinions. (As usual, today's justices are far too long-winded: Roberts opinion runs 58 pages, Ginsburg's 61, Scalia's 65. The only exception, again, is Clarence Thomas, just two pages. But this one paragraph from Scalia's dissent, ISTM, is important enough to quote:

Article I, §8, of the Constitution gives Congress the power to “regulate Commerce . . . among the several States.” The Individual Mandate in the Act commands that every “applicable individual shall for each month beginning after 2013 ensure that the individual, and any dependent of the individual who is an applicable individual, is covered under minimum essential coverage.” 26 U. S. C. §5000A(a) (2006 ed., Supp. IV). If this provision “regulates” anything, it is the failure to maintain minimum essential coverage. One might argue that it regulates that failure by requiring it to be accompanied by payment of a penalty. But that failure—that abstention from commerce—is not “Commerce.” To be sure, purchasing insurance is ”Commerce”; but one does not regulate commerce that does not exist by compelling its existence.

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DakotaT
12 years ago
Ah yes, Mia will get to have health care all her life. Now all we have to do is make all employers having full time workers - provide health care as part of the compensation package. And all welfare people can't use the emergency room for a hang nail anymore.
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dfosterf
12 years ago
The blue doesn't work. I can't read the shit. Whatever Wade said, I'll go with - lol.

Edit-- TY

I was right in the 1st place, btw.
Wade
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12 years ago

The blue doesn't work. I can't read the shit. Whatever Wade said, I'll go with - lol.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



Is that better? I changed the color. (The code says it's brown, but on my screen it looks red.)


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Wade
  • Wade
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12 years ago

Ah yes, Mia will get to have health care all her life. Now all we have to do is make all employers having full time workers - provide health care as part of the compensation package. And all welfare people can't use the emergency room for a hang nail anymore.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



And you don't have to worry. If you get enough congresscritters to mandate all people in America buy North Dakota honey, that law will be perfectly constitutional, too.

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DakotaT
12 years ago

And you don't have to worry. If you get enough congresscritters to mandate all people in America buy North Dakota honey, that law will be perfectly constitutional, too.

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Originally Posted by: Wade 



Haven't I explained this North Dakota honey ad nauseum. The bottlers take my perfect product and blend in shit like Iowa corn syrup and then have the nerve to put on the label 100% pure ND clover honey.

Well I've sent you enough of my product so that you know what the creme de le creme tastes like.

Americans buy shit off the shelf, but my friends get the real stuff from me.

As for insurance - we all should have it. There's enough shit in the world to worry about. The rich people can still have the top care - but the rest of us shouldn't go bankrupt if something shitty happens in life.

Wade, nobody in this country is truly free anyway - we're all slaves to something. Mine just happens to blonde hair and nice rack. [grin1]
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dfosterf
12 years ago

Haven't I explained this North Dakota honey ad nauseum. The bottlers take my perfect product and blend in shit like Iowa corn syrup and then have the nerve to put on the label 100% pure ND clover honey.

Well I've sent you enough of my product so that you know what the creme de le creme tastes like.

Americans buy shit off the shelf, but my friends get the real stuff from me.

As for insurance - we all should have it. There's enough shit in the world to worry about. The rich people can still have the top care - but the rest of us shouldn't go bankrupt if something shitty happens in life.

Wade, nobody in this country is truly free anyway - we're all slaves to something. Mine just happens to blonde hair and nice rack. [grin1]

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 





See? you are fucked up there too. NATURAL hair is the way to go. Those porno blondes with the big fake tits do NOTHING for a man with some wisdom. . Those girls are for the 21 year olds to fantasize about. Give me a -natural headed brunette with a natural top and good eyes... THEN you got somethin'-- a red-head also, (blonde-type-features are awesome and greed in a red-head )but I digress, lol
digsthepack
12 years ago
Shit man....just put 'em in government diapers the day of birth; fill their heads with garbage in government schools; shuffle 'em off to the government job (because their sad little intellects cannot find meaningful work with a major in ethnic studies and a minor in political science); send 'em off to retirement after 20 - 30 years for a decades long government psid retirement; and then bury 'em in a U.S. government issued cardboard box.

We are largely a nation of sad little dependants who have squandered the inheritance provided by our brilliant founders....and now deserve every bit of the sad chapters of our decline that are about to unfold. For 50 years, the American left has wanted to be Europe....we are now pretty much there. How is that working out for those worthless little nations who riot over a 35 hour work week?

Robert's is an disgrace.
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DakotaT
12 years ago



We are largely a nation of sad little dependants who have squandered the inheritance provided by our brilliant founders....and now deserve every bit of the sad chapters of our decline that are about to unfold. For 50 years, the American left has wanted to be Europe....we are now pretty much there. How is that working out for those worthless little nations who riot over a 35 hour work week?

Robert's is an disgrace.

Originally Posted by: digsthepack 



Who's we numbnuts? Your generation squandered all the inheritence, plus sold the rest of us into slavery. Worthless assholes, fix the shit already! Your outrage is noted, but utterly laughable.


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