Wade
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12 years ago
George W Bush is interviewing with Miami?
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
dfosterf
12 years ago

Thanks for making me laugh out loud in the middle of McDonalds, dick. [ass]

You do have a point, though. Law No. 2 of The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene is Never put too much trust in friends; learn how to use enemies. He points out that the most dangerous people you can use as advisors or partners is your friends, because friends almost always harbor secret resentment for the favors you do them, since they hate the feeling of being beholden to you, while you never have to worry about your enemies' motives because you know they hate you and are bound to you by the grace you have bestowed upon them for not crushing them. He says that powerful leaders have always known that the most reliable advisors are the ones you know hate your guts. It's an interesting point. I know in my life, some of the best advice I've ever received was from people who loathed me, while the people who have fucked me the worst were my own friends. We tend to have a huge blind spot for our friends, while we're always on the alert when our enemies are around.

It's the same principle for why I thought George W. Bush would be a terrible president: Conservatives would assume all was well with the world and would roll over and go to sleep, allowing Bush free rein to do whatever he wanted. That's exactly what ended up happening.

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I haven't read the book, nor will I, so nothing I'm about to say is anything close to fair. I don't read books like that. The Marines taught me how to roll, and it is not like you might think. They taught me how to lead and be led...and to trust my colleague. It's authoritarian, to be sure, but mostly persuasive in it's methodology. We are damn good at it, too, we go to close combat with it. That is power. I'm sorry, but I do not buy any of this fella's thesis/inspiration as you have described.

My friends never, ever fuck me. Thing is, I choose my friends wisely. I have a few. When you get one, don't fuck him, either. Ever.

I'm NOT being dismissive, but I categorically HATE the "I'm OK, you're OK" corral of advice books, lectures, etc. Join the friggin' Army (or preferably the Marines 🤣 ) if you need advice on how to get through life's challenges.

I never thought I'd say this to another man, but you may possibly read too much. lol
DoddPower
12 years ago

I haven't read the book, nor will I, so nothing I'm about to say is anything close to fair. I don't read books like that. The Marines taught me how to roll, and it is not like you might think. They taught me how to lead and be led...and to trust my colleague. It's authoritarian, to be sure, but mostly persuasive in it's methodology. We are damn good at it, too, we go to close combat with it. That is power. I'm sorry, but I do not buy any of this fella's thesis/inspiration as you have described.

My friends never, ever fuck me. Thing is, I choose my friends wisely. I have a few. When you get one, don't fuck him, either. Ever.

I'm NOT being dismissive, but I categorically HATE the "I'm OK, you're OK" corral of advice books, lectures, etc. Join the friggin' Army (or preferably the Marines 🤣 ) if you need advice on how to get through life's challenges.

I never thought I'd say this to another man, but you may possibly read too much. lol

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Don't take this the wrong way, Foster, but I couldn't help but think of this when reading your post:

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blueleopard
12 years ago
Who cares?

This is Mike McCarthy's offense, and he calls the plays.

We don't even need an Offensive Coordinator. It's borderline useless.
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DakotaT
12 years ago


I'm NOT being dismissive, but I categorically HATE the "I'm OK, you're OK" corral of advice books, lectures, etc. Join the friggin' Army (or preferably the Marines 🤣 ) if you need advice on how to get through life's challenges.

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Or just listen to my advice on everything. I may never have ripped the head off a man and skull fucked him like you have Gunny, but I'm as battle tested in life as anybody. I do like the idea of our young and clueless being in the military though - just wasn't for me.
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Wade
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12 years ago
I'm not sure it's good for most of us to think in terms of enemies, actually.

Life isn't war. The country has Marines so the rest of us don't have to think in terms of enemies.

We should instead classify people into "friends" (few), "worthy of dealing with" (some), and "pinheads."

(Academics and politicians should be presumed in the absence of evidence to the contrary to be in the third category.)


And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Zero2Cool
12 years ago
Joe Philbin attended the interview, not really wanting the job, but to ask "how the hell did you make our potent offense look like a bunch of girls playing Ring Around the Rosie?"
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Nonstopdrivel
12 years ago

Join the friggin' Army (or preferably the Marines 🤣 ) if you need advice on how to get through life's challenges.

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Considering my brother, who is a DI down at Parris Island, told me that his main job as a squad leader was bailing his troops out of jail after getting their drunken asses kicked in bar fights with civilians -- and considering the number of troops, Marines and soldiers alike, I personally know who are sad, pathetic excuses for human beings incapable of holding down a true relationship with another human being -- I don't know how much stock I put the notion that the military prepares people for life. Obviously, the military has plenty of success stories, but most of the ones I've known were in the commissioned ranks, not the enlisted ranks.

One of my squad leaders (who by his own admission was one of those sad, pathetic excuses I mentioned earlier) actually had the gall to tell me that the beauty of the military was that it allowed people who were total losers in the real world to be somebody in the military's artificial universe, while plenty of people who were somebody (i.e., successful) on the outside were nobodies in the military. It was a clever little simultaneous dig at myself and at the smart, stable people I admire. People who are actually able to get things done and keep their affairs in order without an autocratic infrastructure propping them up.

His words had the opposite effect he intended, of course. They just confirmed me in my conviction that while the military might be a great place for a lonely drunk like him, it wasn't a place for me.

I'm not trying to imply that everyone in the military is a loser. I'm just saying that I think a person who has what it takes to succeed in the military could also have made it on the outside. I question the idea that it's the military who gives that person what it takes.

Obviously, I also understand that books like The 48 Laws of Power are written for rhetorical effect. They're works more of philosophical rumination than practical handbooks for life, and it's not like I shape my life around it. Hell, the concepts presented are sometimes incompatible and even contradictory -- No. 15 is Crush your enemies totally. That doesn't change the fact the book is thought provoking and there are useful concepts to be taken from it.
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Nonstopdrivel
12 years ago
I'm not convinced there are actually more crazies and losers in the military. Sometimes I think it's just the fact that we eat, sleep, work, shit and play together that makes it more obvious.

Then again, considering the fact that more service members died from suicide last year than died from combat, who knows. I'll never understand the guys who survive a year or more in the shit, only to come home and off themselves. Talk about giving the enemy a freebie . . .

I wish they'd reach out for help before it gets to that point.
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dfosterf
12 years ago

Considering my brother, who is a DI down at Parris Island, told me that his main job as a squad leader was bailing his troops out of jail after getting their drunken asses kicked in bar fights with civilians -- and considering the number of troops, Marines and soldiers alike, I personally know who are sad, pathetic excuses for human beings incapable of holding down a true relationship with another human being -- I don't know how much stock I put the notion that the military prepares people for life. Obviously, the military has plenty of success stories, but most of the ones I've known were in the commissioned ranks, not the enlisted ranks.

One of my squad leaders (who by his own admission was one of those sad, pathetic excuses I mentioned earlier) actually had the gall to tell me that the beauty of the military was that it allowed people who were total losers in the real world to be somebody in the military's artificial universe, while plenty of people who were somebody (i.e., successful) on the outside were nobodies in the military. It was a clever little simultaneous dig at myself and at the smart, stable people I admire. People who are actually able to get things done and keep their affairs in order without an autocratic infrastructure propping them up.

His words had the opposite effect he intended, of course. They just confirmed me in my conviction that while the military might be a great place for a lonely drunk like him, it wasn't a place for me.

I'm not trying to imply that everyone in the military is a loser. I'm just saying that I think a person who has what it takes to succeed in the military could also have made it on the outside. I question the idea that it's the military who gives that person what it takes.

Obviously, I also understand that books like The 48 Laws of Power are written for rhetorical effect. They're works more of philosophical rumination than practical handbooks for life, and it's not like I shape my life around it. Hell, the concepts presented are sometimes incompatible and even contradictory -- No. 15 is Crush your enemies totally. That doesn't change the fact the book is thought provoking and there are useful concepts to be taken from it.

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Gary Barton.

That answers that, at least to me, my friends, and the memories of him.

I do not know what military you were in, I always had my suspicions, but never investigated beyond my personal observations and disgust at all I called "REMFS". I've talked about that before, so I'm not going into it again.

My world began at 0400, with a wake-up-call and a nice 20 mile run on the beach. This occurred Mon-Fri, 365. That was the POD for my MOS, regardless of unit or station, while non-deployed. Onslow beach, baby- That is our calling card, ask anyone that did our thing, and we did it to get our heart rate right when the killing business was at hand. That is an element of real commitment, where I come from.

There were no slack-offs there. Have you EVER run 20 miles on the fucking beach, Mr. work-out-cheerleader-man?- Has your Marine DI brother?

That was my routine for eleven fucking years.


You are representing something in the military, perhaps a huge element, but don't ever think you are representing anything close to the military, especially to these midwestern folk that mostly did not serve at all.

I don't give a damn what they think, but I do give a damn about those that made the kind of commitments you (apparently) only think were made at recruiting offices and shit.

Thing is, that's wrong, amongst my circles. Your brother being a Marine DI only means he has to come here and tell us about it. (To me), personally. Bitch is, I was a combat veteran Marine before (or around) he was (or you) were born. Fuckin' doggies definitely fucked you up. I've told you all of this before, sorry to rant, but day-um, asshole. [ass] I respect your opinion, but you are ignorant in so many aspects of this particular subject and I choose to not let the reader walk away mis-informed. (imo)
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