beast
13 years ago

I thought about including those guys, and possibly Darryn Colledge as well, but at least they've contributed SOMETHING, and it also helps that they were part of a Super Bowl winning team, even if they were bit players.

I think Brohm has been Thompson's only complete bust in the second round. Lee is close, but there is still a glimmer of hope for him. His best second rounder by far has been Greg Jennings, followed by Nick Collins and Jordy Nelson. We'll never know what would have become of Terrence Murphy (#58 overall in 2006), the WR whose career ended before it could get started, due to a spinal injury.

Originally Posted by: Greg C. 



Colledge started for years... I don't think he should be listed as a mistake.

After Collins went down I wondered about the idea of moving Pat Lee to Safety to see if he can make the switch. He doesn't seem to be going anywhere at CB... some players can make the switch... of course the ones that do normally have to start sooner than the Packers have with trying to get players to make the switch... but Lee has been good in zone and a willing hitter... two important things of Safeties.

To me Murphy was VERY VERY raw... but looked to have as much raw potential as Jennings... and maybe more... I think Jennings quick rise to the top (since he picked everything up so fast) would of had him over Murphy early on... but Murphy potential might of bursted...
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Greg C.
13 years ago

Colledge started for years... I don't think he should be listed as a mistake.

After Collins went down I wondered about the idea of moving Pat Lee to Safety to see if he can make the switch. He doesn't seem to be going anywhere at CB... some players can make the switch... of course the ones that do normally have to start sooner than the Packers have with trying to get players to make the switch... but Lee has been good in zone and a willing hitter... two important things of Safeties.

To me Murphy was VERY VERY raw... but looked to have as much raw potential as Jennings... and maybe more... I think Jennings quick rise to the top (since he picked everything up so fast) would of had him over Murphy early on... but Murphy potential might of bursted...

Originally Posted by: beast 


Colledge started, but he did not play up to the level that you would hope for a second round pick. They were always looking for someone to beat him out. I agree that Colledge was not a mistake, though. He was just somewhat disappointing.

I like your idea of moving Pat Lee to safety. It would be an interesting thing to try.
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Greg C.
13 years ago
Some people have mentioned the failed return man, Cory Rodgers. He was drafted in the fourth round in 2006 and did not survive training camp. I've always wondered if the coaching staff had a hand in that failure. Special teams coach Mike Stock made Rodgers catch the ball differently on punt returns. His original style was a bit unconventional and was thought to create a greater risk of turnovers. Rodgers never adapted to catching the ball in the conventional style. He dropped punt after punt in training camp, even though he had had no problem catching punts in college. The fans were booing him in practice. I always thought that maybe the coaches should've backed off and waited till he got more comfortable in the NFL before messing with his mechanics.

By contrast, I liked the way that they handled the other Rodgers (Aaron), who had an unconventional way of holding the ball when he was in the pocket. He held it way up by his ear, creating a risk for fumbles. Instead of trying to coach it out of him, the coaches decided to let this habit disappear naturally, and it did.

I don't know enough about football to say for sure that the coaches did the wrong thing with Cory Rodgers. Maybe other NFL coaches would've done the same thing, and maybe Rodgers just needed to man up and catch the damn ball. But especially in light of the other special teams problems during Mike Stock's tenure in Green Bay, I can't help but wonder if a good prospect was ruined by overcoaching.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Colledge started for years... I don't think he should be listed as a mistake.

Originally Posted by: beast 

The mistake wasn't drafting Daryn Colledge, obviously it was letting him sign with another team that was the mistake. Probably Ted Thompson's biggest mistake to date. Well, other than not listening to Brett Favre's advice on whom to sign to the roster of course.

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PackerTraxx
13 years ago
I didn't like the Harrell pick from the get go because of his injury history. However, once I learned more about it, it seemed to make more sense. If you can't make a good trade and there's a gap with the others choices the risk seemed worth it. I can live with that.

I never had a problem with the Brohm pick. Had he come out his Jr. year he would have been a high #1. It looked like great value. If he had been as good as most people thought he was it could have easily turned into a good trade for a #1 and more.

Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
nerdmann
13 years ago

Some people have mentioned the failed return man, Cory Rodgers. He was drafted in the fourth round in 2006 and did not survive training camp. I've always wondered if the coaching staff had a hand in that failure. Special teams coach Mike Stock made Rodgers catch the ball differently on punt returns. His original style was a bit unconventional and was thought to create a greater risk of turnovers. Rodgers never adapted to catching the ball in the conventional style. He dropped punt after punt in training camp, even though he had had no problem catching punts in college. The fans were booing him in practice. I always thought that maybe the coaches should've backed off and waited till he got more comfortable in the NFL before messing with his mechanics.

By contrast, I liked the way that they handled the other Rodgers (Aaron), who had an unconventional way of holding the ball when he was in the pocket. He held it way up by his ear, creating a risk for fumbles. Instead of trying to coach it out of him, the coaches decided to let this habit disappear naturally, and it did.

I don't know enough about football to say for sure that the coaches did the wrong thing with Cory Rodgers. Maybe other NFL coaches would've done the same thing, and maybe Rodgers just needed to man up and catch the damn ball. But especially in light of the other special teams problems during Mike Stock's tenure in Green Bay, I can't help but wonder if a good prospect was ruined by overcoaching.

Originally Posted by: Greg C. 




The problem with Stock, iirc was that he just wasn't a good coach. The reason he had a job was that he was the guy who would report back to Sherman what people would say when he wasn't around. Didn't they "announce" he was retiring, yet he was still around the team for another year or two?
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Stevetarded
13 years ago
Brohm to me is a worse pick than Harrell. He was "just" a 2nd rounder but at least Harrell had an excuse for why he couldn't contribute. Brohm was just a rotten player. That's a complete breakdown in scouting somewhere for them to take him that high.
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
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bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
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