DakotaT
13 years ago


About once a month I grill a fine piece of steak.. filet, ribeye or porter.. but none come from a frozen box with an overpriced sticker.

Sure that is not practical for some in their surroundings, but here there are still many that don't take advantage of their surroundings and enjoy the fruits of their labor without coughing up a small fortune.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Nothing tastes better than a Porterhouse or ribeye that you butchered and grilled yourself. I don't think I go more than a week without enjoying some culture.

Of course getting to the point in life where you actually know how and are willing to butcher the carcass is not for everyone - obviously.
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13 years ago

Formo - 2009, you SHOULD have won the SB. I think using Occam's Razor, the only logical reason you didn't is because God hates the Vikings.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



2009 is soooooo 2 years ago. That year is dead to me.

Since then, your OL has aged badly. So has your DL. You have no QB. Your DBs are mediocre. You lost your #1 WR and as much as I love Percy Harvin, he can't carry the team. I still stand by saying AP is the best RB in the NFL but that's not good enough. You've probably read my articles on how the best RB in the NFL != success in the NFL.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



OL has aged, but new schemes = different results. Just wait. DL is actually younger. Get with the program my dood. Granted, they may not be as stout as they were in '09, but they are younger. #5 and #7 says we do have a QB. The playaction will freeze up more than one team's defense this year. The starting DBs are very much above mediocre. The backups are the mediocre at best DBs. I didn't study the film because I don't care to waste time on it, but I'm pretty certain that when the starting DBs (read: CBs) were healthy, the DL (read: DEs) were getting to opposing teams QBs. They work as a unit, not individually. WR is going to be alright. McNabb never really had more than one all pro WR with the exception of TO and whomever else was the Iggles #2 WR that year. McNabb won't need more than 1 elite WR with the workhorse lining up behind him. Speaking of #28, you are right. It's proven that having the best RB in the league doesn't always equal success in the NFL, but it's never all about just one person anyway. But with AP running the rock, like I mentioned above, the play action will expose defenses. Along with all those crazy TE/WR bunch formations the Vikings now will be running. Misalignments and misassignments will always beat you before mismatches, and the theory in Minny is that's what their goal is on offense.

You're rebuilding. We'll hit you when you're down. 2013 or 2014 might be an entirely different matter. It depends on how well you rebuild. A smart rebuilding team doesn't stay down for long.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



Still don't think it's rebuilding. If they were rebuilding, they wouldn't have gone out and gotten McNabb, Jenkins, etc. They would have been stockpiling draft picks. This year, I still stand by, is a reloading year.

Good luck. Seriously. I actually like it when the NFC North is the toughest division. Good opponents toughen you up.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



Thanks. I can't agree with you here, either. This is the NFL and SOS doesn't do squat to get teams into the playoffs.

As for the bet, already made a bet with VR.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



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13 years ago

It is not as much as about culture as it is about the aesthetics of the bet.

There is a place for a fine slab of beef or a vase of aged liquor.. but neither are under a hefty price tag for a name or convenience.

IMO.. there lies the issue with that bet.. it is more about stinging in the wallet than stinging in the fan hood. (For the record, I will enjoy watching the bet play out.. albeit disappointed that it lacks any personal humiliation aspect, lol.)

About once a month I grill a fine piece of steak.. filet, ribeye or porter.. but none come from a frozen box with an overpriced sticker.

Sure that is not practical for some in their surroundings, but here there are still many that don't take advantage of their surroundings and enjoy the fruits of their labor without coughing up a small fortune.

If that is the lack of culture in which you speak.. so be it.

But whom really is lacking what in the situation? ;)

I quit the hard liquor years ago.. but one thing I can attest.. you can find fine tasting elixir for a fairer price than some of the top shelf brands out there. A properly aged wine, well those are harder to come across.. but the same doesn't hold true for liquor in my experience.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Pack93z - Oh, I've already admitted elsewhere that what you did takes a whole lot more balls than to do what VR & I are doing. You will NEVER see me wearing a Helga hat. When I'm dead, I'm hiring armed bodyguards to watch over my casket and make sure that before I'm cremated, nobody puts a Helga hat on me and snaps a photo.

Formo - I like McNabb. He's a solidly above average QB. Your OL isn't good enough to protect him and he won't last the season. NOT wishing harm on him by any means, but I'm calling it as I see it. When he goes down, your season is screwed.

Maybe I made the comment about your DBs after one of them went down. Regardless, that shows you have no depth there (unless something happened in the off season). Don't forget I watched every game Favre played in last year.

We sweep you by a combined 22+ points.

I do think you guys picked up McNabb for morale reasons alone. You are rebuilding and you guys don't want to "appear" like you're rebuilding.

Dakota - Eventually I'll hit ND. I'm at 31 states now. Mrs. Z wants to visit Alaska next though and that will cost me.
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13 years ago

It is not as much as about culture as it is about the aesthetics of the bet.

There is a place for a fine slab of beef or a vase of aged liquor.. but neither are under a hefty price tag for a name or convenience.

IMO.. there lies the issue with that bet.. it is more about stinging in the wallet than stinging in the fan hood. (For the record, I will enjoy watching the bet play out.. albeit disappointed that it lacks any personal humiliation aspect, lol.)

About once a month I grill a fine piece of steak.. filet, ribeye or porter.. but none come from a frozen box with an overpriced sticker.

Sure that is not practical for some in their surroundings, but here there are still many that don't take advantage of their surroundings and enjoy the fruits of their labor without coughing up a small fortune.

If that is the lack of culture in which you speak.. so be it.

But whom really is lacking what in the situation? ;)

I quit the hard liquor years ago.. but one thing I can attest.. you can find fine tasting elixir for a fairer price than some of the top shelf brands out there. A properly aged wine, well those are harder to come across.. but the same doesn't hold true for liquor in my experience.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



A couple points:
1. Expensive liquor. I can't speak for $400 bottles and what they might offer. I can say that there can be a major difference between:
a. Gin that goes over $50/bottle (e.g. Old Raj 55%) and that which goes under.
b. Cognac/Armagnac that goes over $75/bottle (e.g., Martell Cordon Bleu) and that which goes under.
c. Whisky (the single-malt Scots kind, no "e") that goes over $100 instead of under it.
d. Port (okay, technically not liquor) that goes over $150 (e.g.,Grahams 40 year tawny) and that which doesn't.

2. Food.
a. I think people are operating under the belief that "buying protein online" gets you nothing more than "Omaha steak" quality. That simply isn't the case. If you know where to look (and are willing to make some expensive mistakes along the way), the high-end options are in fact more than a "step above". Fresh OR frozen sometimes.
b. I've never had a Wagyu steak. (And I expect I'll never have true Japanese Kobe.) I'm guessing, however, that not just the $120/lb Wagyu ribeye that Lobel's sells, but the $40/lb dry-aged one (both of which are going to be delivered fresh, never frozen, by the way) are going to be a far different taste than any steak most of us have access to in our grocery stores and butcher shops.
c. I've paid bucks for Secreto Iberico de Bellotta (a fancy Portuguese name for a special cut of pork skirt steak of all things). Ad claim is that they are uniquely acorn-fed. I don't know if that's it or what. I do know that, even in Iowa, it's going to take me substantial work to find that cut. I also found the taste of that pork something that I've never had in Iowa, and it isn't all my marinade. (Slayer -- Secreto is the "teriyaki" flavored one from Rourke's brunch).
d. I've bought tuna that was in the ocean on thursday and in my tummy on friday. The only better tuna I've had was at a sushi bar in Chicago.

Whether this makes me more cultured or not, I won't say. Whether this makes me an effete whatchamacallit or some other lack of essential sanity, I won't say either.

But for me, its an occasionally indulged (maybe 2-3 times a year) hobby that I enjoy.

And, while there is no doubt that such food is extravagant and over-the-top, I'm betting that as hobbies go, it's one that probably is cheaper than a lot of more "manly" hobbies involving big toys and/or trips to expensive sports fora.


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13 years ago
Sorry for the last off-topic post.

As for the original thread, let me just say ...

...that, alas, I have nothing to say.

Never mind.
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Formo
13 years ago

Pack93z - Oh, I've already admitted elsewhere that what you did takes a whole lot more balls than to do what VR & I are doing. You will NEVER see me wearing a Helga hat. When I'm dead, I'm hiring armed bodyguards to watch over my casket and make sure that before I'm cremated, nobody puts a Helga hat on me and snaps a photo.

Formo - I like McNabb. He's a solidly above average QB. Your OL isn't good enough to protect him and he won't last the season. NOT wishing harm on him by any means, but I'm calling it as I see it. When he goes down, your season is screwed.

Maybe I made the comment about your DBs after one of them went down. Regardless, that shows you have no depth there (unless something happened in the off season). Don't forget I watched every game Favre played in last year.

We sweep you by a combined 22+ points.

I do think you guys picked up McNabb for morale reasons alone. You are rebuilding and you guys don't want to "appear" like you're rebuilding.

Dakota - Eventually I'll hit ND. I'm at 31 states now. Mrs. Z wants to visit Alaska next though and that will cost me.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



2 CBs went down and Winfield was nicked up, I think both on IR (Cook and Griffin). I agree there's a lack of depth, but unless you have a great system, it's hard for any team to recover from losing both CBs.

Like I said about the OL, they have changed schemes #1. And #2, from preseason game 1 to preseason game 3, they have made some vast improvements. McNabb had some plays where he could stand back there all day. Then of course, there were the plays where protection broke down. Come to find out, he's more mobile than Favre!

I'd take you up on your spread (22pts) in that the Vikes would cover it... But they are going to punch the Pukers in the mouth and end up winning both games in a landslide.
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13 years ago

2 CBs went down and Winfield was nicked up, I think both on IR (Cook and Griffin). I agree there's a lack of depth, but unless you have a great system, it's hard for any team to recover from losing both CBs.

Like I said about the OL, they have changed schemes #1. And #2, from preseason game 1 to preseason game 3, they have made some vast improvements. McNabb had some plays where he could stand back there all day. Then of course, there were the plays where protection broke down. Come to find out, he's more mobile than Favre!

I'd take you up on your spread (22pts) in that the Vikes would cover it... But they are going to punch the Pukers in the mouth and end up winning both games in a landslide.

Originally Posted by: Formo 



So that is why Minny stuck so bad last year.... They had a couple of players with boo boos.

No team with that many injures could ever be competitive in this league. :-"
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

2 CBs went down and Winfield was nicked up, I think both on IR (Cook and Griffin). I agree there's a lack of depth, but unless you have a great system, it's hard for any team to recover from losing both CBs.

Like I said about the OL, they have changed schemes #1. And #2, from preseason game 1 to preseason game 3, they have made some vast improvements. McNabb had some plays where he could stand back there all day. Then of course, there were the plays where protection broke down. Come to find out, he's more mobile than Favre!

I'd take you up on your spread (22pts) in that the Vikes would cover it... But they are going to punch the Pukers in the mouth and end up winning both games in a landslide.

Originally Posted by: Formo 



LOL! You funny guy!

I actually did laugh when I read this. Seriously.

OK. I don't know the ins and outs of your team. I just know what I saw. Your DBs sucked. Thanks for explaining the injuries as I didn't know that. I just saw the results.

Just an fyi - we won a Super Bowl with 2 CBs out. But then again, we got depth. You don't.

As for your OL, good. I'm quite serious when I say I want to see the NFC North as the toughest division. Maybe it was an insecurity from childhood when the NFC Central was the laughingstock of the NFL and people would joke that whomever ended up with a winning record would win the NFC Central.

And no, only one bet this year. This bet I have with VR is epic. I don't want to detract anything from it.
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Formo
13 years ago

So that is why Minny stuck so bad last year.... They had a couple of players with boo boos.

No team with that many injures could ever be competitive in this league. :-"

Originally Posted by: wpr 



There were more than just one reason, snarky. That was one main reason the Vikes DEs couldn't seem to get to the opposing teams QBs. Is there an echo here? I swore I just said that... 😣
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13 years ago


Just an fyi - we won a Super Bowl with 2 CBs out. But then again, we got depth. You don't.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



I'm very well aware of this. Your guys had decent depth, but also had a pretty damn good system in place (finally) that gave your CBs leverage (multiple fast pass rushers).
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