nerdmann
13 years ago
http://www.totalpackers.com/2011/06/18/mason-crosby-vs-ryan-longwell/ 

Although the Green Bay Packers have given every indication they plan to re-sign kicker Mason Crosby, who will be a free agent when the lockout ends, things don’t always go according to plan.

It’s conceivable, although probably not likely, another team will do something to pry Crosby away from the Packers. In that scenario, the team may be forced to turn to a familiar face — former kicker Ryan Longwell, who’s spent the last five seasons with the Minnesota Vikings and will be a free agent himself.

Interestingly, Longwell didn’t rule out a return to Green Bay when posed the question.

Appearing Friday morning on ESPNMilwaukee.com, Longwell made clear he intends to play in 2011 and said he “wouldn’t mind going back” to the Vikings. Asked if he would consider returning to Green Bay if Packers place-kicker Mason Crosby moves on in free agency, Longwell laughed and said: “You never say never. You just don’t know.”

What’s perhaps more interesting than the possibility of Longwell returning to the Packers is the career arc of the two men in question.

Longwell was a pretty good kicker during his nine years in Green Bay, but he’s become even better since leaving the team in 2006. His field goal percentage has increased in each of the past four seasons. In 2010, he made a career-high 94 percent of his kicks (17 of 18) and has a career percentage of 83.5.

Crosby, on the other hand, has been fairly mediocre since coming to the Packers in 2007. His field goal percentage decreased each of his first three seasons with the Packers, resulting in a below-average 75 percent in 2009, before he rebounded to hit 78.6 percent of his kicks in 2010. In his career, Crosby has made 78.1 percent of his kicks.

Of course, other than their accuracy, the biggest difference between Longwell and Crosby is age. Longwell turns 37 in August, while Crosby turns 27 in September.

So, who would you rather have?

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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
There are few things you can count on in life, but one thing you can count on: If there is a popular ex-Packer on another team's roster, someone will write an article about the possibility of him coming back to the Packers.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

There are few things you can count on in life, but one thing you can count on: If there is a popular ex-Packer on another team's roster, someone will write an article about the possibility of him coming back to the Packers.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



And your thoughts on said topic are???


Ryan Longwell is a better FG kicker, especially when he's only asked to twice kick a FG longer than 40 yards in a controlled climate, such as his Viking dome.

I don't want him back because the Packers would then have to find a kickoff specialist.


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yooperfan
13 years ago
I'll take Crosby being younger with a live leg and room to improve providing he has a consistant holder.
Longwell, although a very good placekicker, is on the downward slope considering his age. Even in his prime his kickoffs used to put me right over the edge.
azrunning
13 years ago
Crosby definitely. Better leg and doesn't complain about the holders/weather like longwell did when he was here. Also, it's hard for me to get over ex-packers defecting to the vikings.
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Greg C.
13 years ago
Crosby is good enough to keep but not good enough to get a big offer from someone else, so he will probably be back. Longwell is a better kicker, though--one of the best in the league--so it would be great to have him back if that's how things worked out. His short kickoffs didn't bother me too much. He kicked directionally with decent hangtime, so I don't think his kickoffs cost the team much field position, if any. Kicking field goals is way more important, and he was among the best in the league at that, even when he was kicking in the elements at Green Bay.
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earthquake
13 years ago
36 year old kicker that has only really been excellent since he started playing in a dome, plus you would have to have another kicker handle kickoffs? Not a chance in hell. If Crosby walks, 2-3 young undrafted/street FA kickers or will be brought in to compete.

Longwell has excellent stats, because he's rarely ever asked to kick from over 49 yards out, Crosby is regularly doing hail-marry 56 yard kicks, it makes him look worse statistically. In the 4 years crosby has been in the league, he has kicked 21 from 50+, in the 5 years longwell has been with the vikes, he's only kicked 14 from 50+. 18 of Crosby's 28 kicks were from 40+ on the other hand, most of which were outdoors, thats 65% of his kicks.

Longwells 94% accuracy looks amazing last year, but when you look at his stats, he had 0 from 50+, and only TWO from 40+. Roughly 90% of his kicks were 0-39 yards, IN A DOME. You would have to be a terrible kicker to look bad in that situation.

In the last four years, Longwell has scored 276 points off field goals, and Crosby has scored 321. Points win games, not field goal %.
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beast
13 years ago
"There are lies, damned lies and statistics"

That's the phase this article reminds me of. First off when Longwell laughed is sounded like he knew it didn't have a chance of happening. But let me give some more honest and in depth good stats.

And I expect to prove the reason Longwell kicking % is so high is because he normally kicks indoors and they play safe (inside the 40) kicks with him.

As well as prove Crosby has been the opposite way, playing almost all of his kicks happened outside in 2010 and MM takes risk and tries kicking from further a lot more often.

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How many kicks (and what percentage) were kicked outdoors last year?

Crosby had 25 of 28 (89.28%) of his kicks outdoors.
Longwell had 7 of 18 (38.88%) of his kicks outdoors.
So Crosby has to deal with weather a lot more

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Now lets look at where Longwell makes his money... inside the 40.

Longwell is 15 of 16 (93.75%) inside the 40.
Crosby is 12 of 14 (85.71) inside the 40.

In other words Crosby had to deal with the a lot more weather and still only missed one more kick inside the 40.

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What about the 40+ long distance ones?

Longwell had only 2 kicks over 40 yards (41 and 48) and made them both.
Crosby had 14 kicks over 40 yards including 4 over 50. He missed two between the 40 and 50 and two over 50.
So Crosby is 8 of 10 between 40 and 50. And 2 of 4 over 50. So overall Crosby was 10 of 14 over 40.

Again Crosby had a lot more difficult kicks.

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If you look at Crosby stats over the years. Inside the 40 he's been pretty good. It's those over 40 and over 50 ones MM likes to go for that kills Crosby kicking %.

Crosby stats.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/10636/mason-crosby 

Longwell stats.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/1328/ryan-longwell 
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mi_keys
13 years ago

"There are lies, damned lies and statistics"

That's the phase this article reminds me of. First off when Longwell laughed is sounded like he knew it didn't have a chance of happening. But let me give some more honest and in depth good stats.

And I expect to prove the reason Longwell kicking % is so high is because he normally kicks indoors and they play safe (inside the 40) kicks with him.

As well as prove Crosby has been the opposite way, playing almost all of his kicks happened outside in 2010 and MM takes risk and tries kicking from further a lot more often.

..............................

How many kicks (and what percentage) were kicked outdoors last year?

Crosby had 25 of 28 (89.28%) of his kicks outdoors.
Longwell had 7 of 18 (38.88%) of his kicks outdoors.
So Crosby has to deal with weather a lot more

.....................................

Now lets look at where Longwell makes his money... inside the 40.

Longwell is 15 of 16 (93.75%) inside the 40.
Crosby is 12 of 14 (85.71) inside the 40.

In other words Crosby had to deal with the a lot more weather and still only missed one more kick inside the 40.

.....................................
What about the 40+ long distance ones?

Longwell had only 2 kicks over 40 yards (41 and 48) and made them both.
Crosby had 14 kicks over 40 yards including 4 over 50. He missed two between the 40 and 50 and two over 50.
So Crosby is 8 of 10 between 40 and 50. And 2 of 4 over 50. So overall Crosby was 10 of 14 over 40.

Again Crosby had a lot more difficult kicks.

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If you look at Crosby stats over the years. Inside the 40 he's been pretty good. It's those over 40 and over 50 ones MM likes to go for that kills Crosby kicking %.

Crosby stats.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/10636/mason-crosby 

Longwell stats.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/1328/ryan-longwell 

Originally Posted by: beast 





Nice work. Usually, you want to see your kicker over that 80% threshold but when you see that he would be but for attempting 4 kicks over 50 yards I'd say he's doing an acceptable job. He has had a turnstile at holder and has been kicking in bad weather. The weather probably isn't getting better any time soon but we might see the holder position solidified with Masthay.

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Yerko
13 years ago
Like comparing apples to oranges...Crosby in a heartbeat (now). Better kicker in outdoor situations and a stronger leg. Longwell's percentage has only gone up the past 4 years because he was spoon-fed controlled climate kicks under 40 yards.

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