Pack93z
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14 years ago
If they remove the tax from the gas per gallon.. then this may make sense on the surface.

However.. the privacy issues are still outstanding.. so are the logistics of it all.

We are becoming less "free" by the day..


White House Wants to Track and Tax Your Mileage 

Thursday, 05 May 2011 05:43 PM

By David A. Patten

Conservative economists, commentators, and politicians are blasting a draft Obama administration plan that envisions using Big Brother-like tracking devices on private cars to tax drivers on how many miles they travel.

The new tax scheme, designed to help fund transportation spending, would determine your mileage by installing electronic equipment on your car. This would involve monitoring your location and how far youve traveled.

Fox host Lou Dobbs offered this reaction to the trial balloon on his radio show Thursday: Weve got an effective unemployment rate of nearly 17 percent in this country, and these idiots want to tax car mileage. Its nuts, what they want to do, he said.

Cato economist Chris Edwards tells Newsmax that the proposal, which he considers a terrible idea, is part of the reauthorization of U.S. transportation programs that is expected to occur sometime in the next 12 months.

There is a high degree of risk that theres going to be all kinds of big government, intrusive stuff in this bill, he warns.

The administration, stung by rising gas prices and an 8-month high in jobless claims Thursday, is backing away from the draft proposal Thursday.

White House spokesperson Jennifer Psaki called the proposed tax an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration.

The 498-page draft of the administrations Transportation Opportunities Act was obtained and published by Transportation Weekly.

Psaki told TheHill.com that the draft plan does not take into account the advice of the presidents senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president.

There has been growing momentum in recent months to find a new way to finance transportation spending.

In March, the Congressional Budget Office offered support for taxing drivers based on how many miles they travel. Payment, it suggested, could be collected automatically at service stations.

Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D., also has voiced support for taxing mileage.

The draft of the transportation proposal, which reportedly has been circulated within the Department of Transportation and the Office of Management and Budget, would create a $300 million office within the Federal Highway Administration to be called the Surface Transportation Revenue Alternatives Office.

The office would be tasked with defining the functionality of a mileage based user fee system and other systems, according to the draft.

One Republican quick to criticize the mileage tax on Thursday: Former GOP Sen. George Allen.

Allen, who is campaigning to represent the Old Dominion in the U.S. Senate, released a statement that: In our struggling economy, the worst thing Washington can do is raise taxes on middle-class families and small businesses. Yet that is exactly what the latest scheme being floated by Washington Democrats calls for.

Concerned that increasingly fuel-efficient vehicles will reduce revenue from current gasoline taxes, state officials in Oregon, Iowa, Nevada, and Texas already are considering tax proposals based on mileage driven.

In Minnesota, the state department of transportation is conducting a research project that would use smart phones with a GPS application to monitor mileage. Critics point out, however, that taxing drivers based on miles driven rather than gallons consumed would decrease their incentive to purchase more fuel-efficient vehicles.

Quite apart from the economic issues are the privacy concerns. Allen labeled the tax an onerous, big brother proposal.

Edwards, the editor of DownsizingGovernment.org, tells Newsmax: Theres clearly a potential for privacy abuses with such a system, government tracking American citizens driving around in their cars. These government data bases have often been hacked and leaked. So theres a big privacy concern here.

The draft proposal calls for field trials to test the feasibility of the mileage tax, but does not specify when or where those trials would occur.


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Formo
14 years ago
Wow. Just keep making up more ways to tax us. What a gigantic heap of worthless DC has become.
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14 years ago
I doubt it will work.
1. There are too many clear people out there who will disable their transmitters and subsequently not pay their share.
2. It transfers the road taxes from the urban driver to the rural drivers. Someone who commutes 20 miles in the city in heavy traffic may well consume more gas and cause more pollution than someone in the country who drives 40 miles to work relatively congestion free. Since there is usually federal funding for major expressways that means the rural driver who may never drive into the nearest city has to pay more than his share to maintain and improve the city expressway system.
3. I can see where the IRS would love this set up. I am sure they believe most tax payers over estimate their annual mileage. This is a way to get more control. Similar to the way they have forced the "lowly" waitress to pay a set amount on his/her tips regardless of how much they may have actually earned.
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dhazer
14 years ago
They will tax us on mileage and what happens if you don't pay that tax? Do you lose your right to drive which in turn you would lose your job which in turn you would collect unemployment. Ya way to think things out. I drive 42 miles one way to work, so how much would I have to pay for taxes, oh ya and don't forget the $50 a week for gas. By the time you add it all up I would probably make more money collecting unemployment. I could sit at home not have to pay mandatory car insurance, no cost of gas and no wear and tear on a car.

I know its a bad way of thinking but c'mon you have to live somehow.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
reed
14 years ago
How about they go the other route and boost tax reductions for regular use of public transportation. 😃 Or better yet, give tax credit.
-From a rider of the commuter rail/bus system.

Honestly though, this is possibly the worst proposal of the Obama administration.
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14 years ago

They will tax us on mileage and what happens if you don't pay that tax? Do you lose your right to drive which in turn you would lose your job which in turn you would collect unemployment. Ya way to think things out. I drive 42 miles one way to work, so how much would I have to pay for taxes, oh ya and don't forget the $50 a week for gas. By the time you add it all up I would probably make more money collecting unemployment. I could sit at home not have to pay mandatory car insurance, no cost of gas and no wear and tear on a car.

I know its a bad way of thinking but c'mon you have to live somehow.

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Hey HEY HEY!
I don'[t care what else yo do, keep your freken car insurance! :thumbleft:
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Psaki told TheHill.com that the draft plan does not take into account the advice of the presidents senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president.
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DakotaT
14 years ago
"KEEP YOUR BUEROCRATIC HANDS OF MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO POLUTE THE EARTH." :)

If the IRS would just get off their ass and collect on the taxes owed and what it has been cheated out of by so called Patriotic Americans; the government wouldn't have to come up with stupid shit like this idea.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago
Don't worry folks. This will never pass. If this passes, it would be political suicide and everyone knows it.

Oh, and before VR can say it Dakota, he'll say something along the lines of "polluting North Dakota? Who would care?"

There. I just stole his thunder. Now he can go back to worrying about his prostate.
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DakotaT
14 years ago

Don't worry folks. This will never pass. If this passes, it would be political suicide and everyone knows it.

Oh, and before VR can say it Dakota, he'll say something along the lines of "polluting North Dakota? Who would care?"

There. I just stole his thunder. Now he can go back to worrying about his prostate.

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I think I'm going to drop off copius amounts of ND bovine fecal matter on his doorstep next time I have to drive into the land of 2 million Norwegians.
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