Stevetarded
14 years ago
Cullen is elite in comparison to his peers. When someone calls a player elite it doesn't necessarily mean compared to every player in the history of football.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Cullen is elite in comparison to his peers. When someone calls a player elite it doesn't necessarily mean compared to every player in the history of football.

"Stevetarded" wrote:



I'm left in agreement, if we are talking DE's that play in the 3 - 4. 🙂
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doddpower
14 years ago

Cullen is elite in comparison to his peers. When someone calls a player elite it doesn't necessarily mean compared to every player in the history of football.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I'm left in agreement, if we are talking DE's that play in the 3 - 4. :)

"Stevetarded" wrote:



Is that not rhetorical? Sure, there are similarities between 4-3 and 3-4 DE's as Rock pointed out, but there are differences as well. It wouldn't make sense to strictly compare Jenkins to anything other than 3-4 DE's and possibly DT's. I assumed such was implied.
Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Is that not rhetorical? Sure, there are similarities between 4-3 and 3-4 DE's as Rock pointed out, but there are differences as well. It wouldn't make sense to strictly compare Jenkins to anything other than 3-4 DE's and possibly DT's. I assumed such was implied.

"doddpower" wrote:



Haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, huh? I wish I hadn't either.
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doddpower
14 years ago

This whole name me players who are better ... then we narrow it down to only 3 - 4 DE's ... c'mon ... if you have to get that specific do you really have an argument?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I quickly read through it. I noticed this part and I didn't agree with it. I think it's completely logical to compare him to 3-4 defensive ends, or even 3-4 defensive linemen in general. At least half the league is running a 3-4 currently and versatile DLine are a high priority. I have no question most 3-4 teams, if not all, would love to have Jenkins, not to mention many 4-3 teams.

As mentioned, however, those factors more than likely will cause some less talented team to offer him a contract he can't resist. Good for him I suppose, he's earned it.
Packers_Finland
14 years ago

Is that not rhetorical? Sure, there are similarities between 4-3 and 3-4 DE's as Rock pointed out, but there are differences as well. It wouldn't make sense to strictly compare Jenkins to anything other than 3-4 DE's and possibly DT's. I assumed such was implied.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, huh? I wish I hadn't either.

"doddpower" wrote:



I stopped reading when someone said Jenkins is the best 3-4 DE in the league and Haloti Ngata was left unmentioned.
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evad04
14 years ago

Is that not rhetorical? Sure, there are similarities between 4-3 and 3-4 DE's as Rock pointed out, but there are differences as well. It wouldn't make sense to strictly compare Jenkins to anything other than 3-4 DE's and possibly DT's. I assumed such was implied.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



Haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, huh? I wish I hadn't either.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I stopped reading when someone said Jenkins is the best 3-4 DE in the league and Haloti Ngata was left unmentioned.

"doddpower" wrote:


I've always thought that Ngata lines up more at nose than anything else. In sub I'm sure he can be moved out, but if I'm not mistaken he is a nose tackle.
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doddpower
14 years ago

Is that not rhetorical? Sure, there are similarities between 4-3 and 3-4 DE's as Rock pointed out, but there are differences as well. It wouldn't make sense to strictly compare Jenkins to anything other than 3-4 DE's and possibly DT's. I assumed such was implied.

"evad04" wrote:



Haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, huh? I wish I hadn't either.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



I stopped reading when someone said Jenkins is the best 3-4 DE in the league and Haloti Ngata was left unmentioned.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:


I've always thought that Ngata lines up more at nose than anything else. In sub I'm sure he can be moved out, but if I'm not mistaken he is a nose tackle.

"doddpower" wrote:



He's listed an an end if I recall correctly. They move him around quite a bit. He's better than Jenkins, imo. Did someone really say he's THE best? If so I missed it. I think most here are saying he's one of the top 3-4 defensive linemen in the league, when healthy.
Zero2Cool
14 years ago

This whole name me players who are better ... then we narrow it down to only 3 - 4 DE's ... c'mon ... if you have to get that specific do you really have an argument?

"doddpower" wrote:



I quickly read through it. I noticed this part and I didn't agree with it. I think it's completely logical to compare him to 3-4 defensive ends, or even 3-4 defensive linemen in general. At least half the league is running a 3-4 currently and versatile DLine are a high priority. I have no question most 3-4 teams, if not all, would love to have Jenkins, not to mention many 4-3 teams.

As mentioned, however, those factors more than likely will cause some less talented team to offer him a contract he can't resist. Good for him I suppose, he's earned it.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I must have not been clear. To say a player is ELITE, then add in this and that to prove he is elite, I feel makes the point irrelevant. If a player is elite, you don't have to add such narrow parameters to prove it. I think Cullen Jenkins is one of the best 3 - 4 DE's in the league, but I don't think he's elite.

You mentioned half the league is running a 3 - 4 defense. What teams are? I struggle to name five. I think Cowboys, Ravens, Packers, Bills and Steelers? I'm sure there are more I just don't know them.
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doddpower
14 years ago
New England Patriots, San Diego Chargers, Kansas City Chiefs, Dallas Cowboys, New York Jets, Green Bay Packers, Miami Dolphins, Baltimore Ravens, Buffalo Bills, Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers, Pittsburgh Steelers, Washington Redskins, and Houston Texans all run some variation of a 3-4.

I think one or two teams may be switching BACK to a 4-3 again this year (ie. Denver). That sounds horrible to me. Switching to a 3-4 for two seasons and then straight back to a 4-3? Yikes.

I'm sure I've forgotten or misplaced one or two, but I'm pretty confident about half the league runs a 3-4. I know I've heard the guys on NFL Network say so more than a few times.
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