Cullen Jenkins importance

Zero2Cool
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13 years ago

Cullen Jenkins is an elite player? Are we calling anyone elite now?

Reggie White, elite.
Barry Sanders, elite.
Joe Montana, elite.
Jerry Rice, elite.
Walter Payton, elite.

I like Cullen Jenkins, but elite he is not.
7 seasons and not getting more than 7 sacks or 44 tackles in a season is not elite. Heck, Clay Matthews III is has had more tackles in each of his two years than the highest Cullen has got. Not to mention he's only played for two seasons an is less than 6 career sacks behind Cullen. Unless we're gonna call Clay, Jesus. I suppose he has the hair, just needs the beard. :)

I was okay with letting Jenkins leave because I felt we had Johnny Jolly. My tune has changed, sign Jenkins to an incentive laden contract. His injuries worry me, but when he's on the field he's a good player.

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zombieslayer
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13 years ago

7 sacks in 11 games from the DE/DT position of a 3-4 D?

OK, Zero, show me just ONE more player in the NFL who has 7 sacks in 11 games (or a similar rate) at the 3-4 DE/DT position. :scratch:

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bozz_2006
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13 years ago

There's all-time elite and there's current elite Zero. Surely you don't suspect that he's putting Jenkins in the same conversation as Reggie White or guys like Rice and Montana. I think Rodgers is elite but I'm not going to say he's Montana elite. If he keeps it up for another 12 years or so then we can have that conversation. Jenkins is in the conversation of most talented and impactful 3-4 ends in the game.

Greg C.
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13 years ago

Not so long ago, Zero claimed that Adrian Peterson was not elite. Zero has high standards. I suspect that really it's all just an excuse to mention Barry Sanders.

Anyway, I wouldn't call Jenkins "elite," but he's one of the better 3-4 DEs in the league, and I'd love to have him back. He's probably going to cost too much, though.

P.S. Just funnin' with you, Zero.

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blueleopard
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13 years ago

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

I'd consider Jenkins elite. There's a difference between an elite player and a hall of fame player.

Looking at Jenkins, is there any other 3-4 DE you'd rather have right now? 7 sacks for a 3-4 DE is a hell of a lot of sacks. You can knock him for his injury, but the fact that he had 7 playing hurt speaks a lot about his value on the team.

And you talk as if he's damaged goods. Let me remind you that he sweated it out by playing with a busted hand at the beginning of the season and was still able to be effective.

There is no other 3-4 DE in the entire league that I'd rather have than Cullen Jenkins. The only player that even comes close to his skillset is Richard Seymour, and that guy is way passed his prime.

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vikesrule
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13 years ago

Zero has high standards.

"Greg C." wrote:

Since when?

That would be a quality previously unseen and highly unlikely to ever occur. ::wink:

Zero2Cool
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13 years ago

"Greg C." wrote:

I think Adrian Peterson is the closest thing the NFL currently has to an elite running back.

I just think elite means in a class above the rest and I just don't feel Cullen Jenkins there. It was mentioned he had 7 sacks in 11 games, sure on the same team that had the years prior defensive player of the year and a guy named Clay Matthews III who racked up double digit sacks. I suppose that means nothing, right?

Thinking maybe I'm off here, I looked up the definition ...
Elite: the elite is a relatively small dominant group within a large society.

Cullen Jenkins I think is a valuable part of the defense, especially since it's looking like Johnny Jolly won't be contributing anything but license plate production. I also think Cullen and Clay benefit from one another too.

Zero2Cool
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13 years ago

I've addressed other points of your post but this one here ...

I'd consider Jenkins elite. There's a difference between an elite player and a hall of fame player.

"blueleopard" wrote:

Hall of Fame. Gosh, that's ANOTHER word/phrase we throw around haphazardly. When Peyton Manning or Ray Lewis (few others too) are on the field they are referred often times as Hall of Fame players. They're not in the hall of fame, not even eligible. Wait for them to retire, go without the game for five years and then start the hall of fame talk. I think we jump the gun on throwing such high praises towards athletes.

millertime
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13 years ago

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

That is like say Clay Matthews isn't as good as Nick Collins because he has less interceptions. They play completely different positions.

Jenkins top priority to is occupy blockers and stuff the run. The facts that he is able to rack up sacks ON TOP of his other duties is what makes him elite.

You obviously have a different definition of elite than about everyone else out here. Comparing him to Reggie White? Really??? I'm not trying to be a dick, but that post was pretty lame.

I honestly cannot think of a better 3-4 DE than Jenkins. Maybe Aaron Smith of the Steelers, but I think even that is a stretch. I'm not saying Jenkins is the greatest all time (see Reggie), but I'm saying he's a good player that draws blockers away from Clay and our other guys. I'd like to see a stat on how many sacks Clay and Raji got when Cullen was on the field vs. off.

DakotaT
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13 years ago

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Cullen Jenkin's talents are wasted in a 3-4 defense. Calling him a run stuffer degrades the man's abilities. He is best suited to play the power DE in a 4-3. I don't think we will sign him back. We will go with Greasy, Raji, and Green in base and in the nickel we will put Neal in with Raji to collapse the pocket.

Thank you Cullen for being a great Packer. I only hope he goes somewhere other than our divisions rivals.

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