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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/02/08/nfl-mailbag/index.html#ixzz1EhJqSGwN 


Ran into Lions PR man Bill Keenist leaving Dallas Monday, and he made this point: If not for the late-game ridiculousness in games of Dec. 19 in New Jersey and Tampa, the Packers would not be hoisting the Lombardi Trophy today.

Keenist is right. Green Bay finished 10-6, the last Wild Card team and sixth seed in the NFC, by virtue of winning tiebreakers with the 10-6 Giants and 10-6 Bucs. We all know the Giants story: Up 31-10 over Philly at home with eight minutes left in the game, the Giants gave up 28 points in the last half of the fourth quarter and lost 38-31. The killer was punter Matt Dodge blowing the game and keeping a punt to DeSean Jackson inbounds with 14 seconds left in a 31-all game. Jackson returned it 65 yards for a touchdown. Who knows what would have happened if that game went to overtime, but that'll stay a mystery.

The Detroit game, in many ways, was more painful because of who the Lions are. They hadn't won a road game in three years. They were in Tampa, trailing by a field goal with two minutes left, playing third-string quarterback Drew Stanton. He led a field-goal drive to tie it. The Lions won the toss in overtime. Stanton led another long drive to win it in overtime.

Dave Rayner kicked the tying and winning field goals that afternoon in Tampa Bay. He was Green Bay's kicker in 2006, the one fired to make way for new Super Bowl champion Mason Crosby.

Without the ex-Packer to help the current Packers, Green Bay's players would be in the fifth week of their offseason today, not getting confetti and love and cheers showed on them in Lambeau Field. Football is a funny game sometimes.

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Dulak
13 years ago
ya its freaking unbelievable ... alls I know is that before the giants game the bookies gave great odds for a GB SB win ... ya I didnt take em (missed it last year so errr) ... but after the week 17 win and the WC win over the eagles I jumped on some digits ...
djcubez
13 years ago
If Mason Crosby doesn't miss that kick against the Redskins we win that game.

If Rodgers doesn't get concussed in the Lions game we (probably) would win that game.

If Rodgers plays in the Patriots game we'd have a better chance at winning that game.

If Rodgers doesn't fumble the ball in the end zone against the Falcons we probably win that game.

If we don't let a lineman romp 71 yards against us in the Patriots game we have a better chance at winning that game.

If Devin Hester doesn't run back that punt for a touchdown we probably win that game.

See? I can play that game too.
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
I think this article is wrong. if giants win then eagles don't get in.
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Yerko
13 years ago
...and Bill Kennist....

Thats the way the cookie crumbles.
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djcubez
13 years ago

I think this article is wrong. if giants win then eagles don't get in.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



We owned head-to-head's against both the Eagles and Giants. However, the Eagles did lose two games after beating the Giants so there could have been a chance of both of them making it.

I just think it's a bit stupid to argue hypotheticals in hindsight.
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

I think this article is wrong. if giants win then eagles don't get in.

"djcubez" wrote:



We owned head-to-head's against both the Eagles and Giants. However, the Eagles did lose two games after beating the Giants so there could have been a chance of both of them making it.

I just think it's a bit stupid to argue hypotheticals in hindsight.

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It is stupid, but I still think the article is wrong, lol.

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

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I think that means if both Giants and Eagles made it, only one of them would have gotten in?


If Tampa Bay beat the Lions, then the game against the @Saints would have meant a lot to the Saints because they'd have to win to get in. I don't remember if they kept starters in or not, but I believe they had their spot locked in the playoffs.



Hell if I know ... the only team I'm thanking is the Green Bay Packers and I think this is just a way for Peter King to slight the Packers accomplishment. Yes, I'm being petty about it. I don't get any other angle other than he was told to pump out a story an he lacks creativity, which I know he doesn't.
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Greg C.
13 years ago
King's a good writer for the most part, but he often lapses into this kind of garbage. I view it less as slighting the Packers' accomplishment than as a statement about how various teams' fates are intertwined in the NFL. Pretty mundane stuff, really. I was only mildly irritated by it.
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Pack93z
13 years ago
Personally... it proves just how close the margin is in this league to winning it all and sitting an watching another team win it.

That isn't anything new.. just a very solid illustration of that point, IMO.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Dulak
13 years ago

Personally... it proves just how close the margin is in this league to winning it all and sitting an watching another team win it.

That isn't anything new.. just a very solid illustration of that point, IMO.

"Pack93z" wrote:



that about sums it up - we were that close to having our offseason chatter 1 month earlier. IMO we all knew we were a much better team then most of the other NFL teams.

Simple as this - we had our opportunity and our players/coaches did not let us down. They rose to the challenge and IMO like I talked about all during the preseason. Its the heart of this team - its that that won us the championship.
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TheKanataThrilla (17h) : That was terrible.
TheKanataThrilla (17h) : Watching that game in its entirety yesterday is proof positive that I am a football addict.
beast (18h) : And horrible time management multiple times... and not being able to score more than 3 points on a team with talent
beast (18h) : Realizing the Bears didn't fix it from the previous week and do the same thing, getting the game to overtime
beast (18h) : They probably are not tanking, but they've absolutely mismanagement some things, such as Vikings seeing the Packers blocked FG and realizing
Zero2Cool (18h) : Crazy of Bears to have that mindset that is
Zero2Cool (19h) : Hail Mary stop away from 5 - 2. Not sure how that flips to tanking. Crazy mindset if true
beast (19h) : I've quietly questioned if Bears are tanking on purpose... they suddenly got a lot worse with some simple concepts like 101 clock management
wpr (21h) : Watching bares fans melt down over how putrid their team is, so enjoyable. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
Mucky Tundra (27-Dec) : The Seattle Seahawks defeat the Chicago Bears 6-3. Jason Myers had 6 RBIs for Seattle while Cairo Santos had 3 RBI for Chicago
beast (27-Dec) : Not nessarily, he might of been injured either way. He's playing about 50% of the games the last 4 years
Zero2Cool (26-Dec) : If they'd been more patient with him, he'd be back already. Putting him out there vs Bears caused him to tweak it and here we are.
packerfanoutwest (26-Dec) : well this is his last season with the PAck, book it
beast (26-Dec) : Sounds like no Alexander (again), I'm wondering if his time with the Packers is done
Zero2Cool (26-Dec) : Could ban beast and I still don't think anyone catches him.
Mucky Tundra (26-Dec) : Houston getting dog walked by Baltimore
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beast (24-Dec) : Sounds like no serious injuries from the Saints game and Jacobs and Watson should play in the Vikings game
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : both games Watson missed, Packers won
Martha Careful (24-Dec) : I hope all of you have a Merry Christmas!
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Oh I know about Jacobs, I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to mimic Zero lol
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : Jacobs was just sat down, Watson re-injured that knee that kept him out 1 game earlier
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : I needed .14 that's. .14 points for the whole 4th quarter to win and go to the SB. Lol
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Jacobs gonna be OK???
Zero2Cool (24-Dec) : Watson gonna be OK???
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
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