Wade
  • Wade
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13 years ago

As I have said before, Wade I am glad you are not on the Board.

"wpr" wrote:



Sigh. I'm so unloved.

I need to rehabilitate myself. Hmm. Perhaps I should run for elected office. :)

"Wade" wrote:



Hey I don't hate you. I am glad you don't set GB policy that's all.

"wpr" wrote:



S'ok. GB is safe.

I can't imagine anyone trusting me with financial decisions. 🙂
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Call me crotchety, but as far as I'm concerned, if people are measuring prestige by the number of names on the waiting list, their eyes are on the wrong prize.

I find the whole obsession with the waiting list stupid. It's predicated on what I consider an unfair system, in which almost all the stadium tickets, with the exception of a few that are awarded by lottery to Brown County residents, are only available to season-ticket holders. In other words, it's virtually impossible to obtain Packers gameday tickets on the primary market.

I think it's dumb that I can't go to the box office (or Ticketmaster or whatever) to buy a ticket to a game on the primary market for its face value, because, in an effort to pump up the supposed prestige that accrues from having insanely long waiting lists, the Packers don't make single-game tickets available.

I guarantee if game tickets were available on the primary market, the Packers would still sell out every single game. But ordinary Joes like me who don't want to lay out a huge premium over the face value would have at least some prayer of getting to games.

The last time I made a serious effort of getting to a game, the cheapest tickets I could find were over $150 a pop for lousy seats against the Lions in December. At that time the Lions were winless! As much as I would have loved to go, I couldn't justify shelling out over $300 for nosebleed seats, not even including gas, food, beverages, and hotel costs. Not when for $50, my wife and I could watch the Brewers beat the Cardinals on my birthday. That was fun. 🙂
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wpr
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13 years ago
Nonstop
1. Many have advocated raising the price for every game to around $150. If that were the case then going through ticket brokers would make it all the more expensive.
2. I don't live in WI. I don't live in Brown County and yet I am a season ticket holder. But I didn't inherit mine. I got on the waiting list when I was 18 and still in college and without a job. Every year they sent me a card in the mail telling me what my number in line was. I signed up back in the 70's when the team was pretty mediocre. I would probably still be waiting if not to the remodeling and expansion of the stadium.
You complain about it but you could have done the same thing. Perhaps you are not as old as me and would still be waiting but if you don't even try then don't complain. If you want to go to one game only then go to a game in another city.
3. The Brown County residents get the game day lottery because they pay taxes on that stadium that you and I do not have to pay. It is pretty small compensation if you ask me.
4. Don't compare the price of baseball tickets to football. Since there are only 8 home games instead of 81, football can and does charge a whole lot more than baseball for the games. Just as St Louis, since they are and have been a winning team, can charge a whole lot more per game than Milwaukee can.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

1. Many have advocated raising the price for every game to around $150. If that were the case then going through ticket brokers would make it all the more expensive.

"wpr" wrote:



What's your point? My post had nothing to do with the prices of tickets and everything to do with their unavailability on the primary market (because they're ALL season tickets).

2. I don't live in WI. I don't live in Brown County and yet I am a season ticket holder. But I didn't inherit mine.

"wpr" wrote:



Again, what's your point? I wasn't talking about season tickets -- I was talking about single-game tickets, which are awarded by lottery to Brown County residents. Obviously, anyone, anywhere can buy season tickets.

I got on the waiting list when I was 18 and still in college and without a job.

"wpr" wrote:



Good for you, but I don't want season tickets. The last thing I want to do is saddle myself with the pressure of that kind of financial commitment, when I have no idea if I'll be able to attend every game, much less afford the tickets. I love the Packers as much as anyone, but in the end it's still just a game. I would, however, like to have the freedom of being able to attend an occasional game, without having to pay double or triple the face value.

If you want to go to one game only then go to a game in another city.

"wpr" wrote:



It's stupid that the only way I can see my team in person is to patronize another team's stadium.

3. The Brown County residents get the game day lottery because they pay taxes on that stadium that you and I do not have to pay. It is pretty small compensation if you ask me.

"wpr" wrote:



Again, the only reason this dubious benefit is considered "compensation" is because of the stupid system already in place that makes game-day tickets such a luxury. If the Packers offered game-day tickets at the box office, like other teams do, they wouldn't need to be awarded by lottery.

4. Don't compare the price of baseball tickets to football. Since there are only 8 home games instead of 81, football can and does charge a whole lot more than baseball for the games. Just as St Louis, since they are and have been a winning team, can charge a whole lot more per game than Milwaukee can.

"wpr" wrote:



Yeah, fine. My point wasn't the price. The point was the impossibility of obtaining tickets at face value.

The Packers love to brag about being a blue-collar organization, but by making tickets only available to season ticket holders, what they've really done is turned Lambeau Field into a shrine only accessible to people who either have the money or enough fanaticism to sacrifice other things for their mystical season tickets. If it's a blue-collar organization, then open the doors to everyday, ordinary fans who don't have to wait 30 years for a ticket.

It's all good. If they want to make it that difficult to get my money, they won't get it, that's all. There is way more to life than football. 🙂
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vegOmatic
13 years ago

Call me crotchety, but as far as I'm concerned, if people are measuring prestige by the number of names on the waiting list, their eyes are on the wrong prize.

I find the whole obsession with the waiting list stupid. It's predicated on what I consider an unfair system, in which almost all the stadium tickets, with the exception of a few that are awarded by lottery to Brown County residents, are only available to season-ticket holders. In other words, it's virtually impossible to obtain Packers gameday tickets on the primary market.

I think it's dumb that I can't go to the box office (or Ticketmaster or whatever) to buy a ticket to a game on the primary market for its face value, because, in an effort to pump up the supposed prestige that accrues from having insanely long waiting lists, the Packers don't make single-game tickets available.

I guarantee if game tickets were available on the primary market, the Packers would still sell out every single game. But ordinary Joes like me who don't want to lay out a huge premium over the face value would have at least some prayer of getting to games.

The last time I made a serious effort of getting to a game, the cheapest tickets I could find were over $150 a pop for lousy seats against the Lions in December. At that time the Lions were winless! As much as I would have loved to go, I couldn't justify shelling out over $300 for nosebleed seats, not even including gas, food, beverages, and hotel costs. Not when for $50, my wife and I could watch the Brewers beat the Cardinals on my birthday. That was fun. :)

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Many people have expressed similar thoughts over the years. I think if the Packers had a crystal ball back in 1960 they would have done things differently.

The system is unfair but in the end, how can you fix it? Raising ticket prices to match market rates shuts out Joe Lunchbucket. Ending the practice of willing tickets to heirs would cause a nuclear explosion in Green Bay.

But it works both ways. I have season tickets and like many, I am unable to go to every game. That means I have tickets available. Everyone is my friend when the Packers are doing well and they're playing the Bears in October. It's chirping crickets when it comes to preseason games or late December games when the Packers are out of it. It really gets me POed with the ones who try to hop the fence for the big games at Lambeau but turn their noses up to preseason games. Trust me, season ticket holders eat the cost of tickets once in a while.

So when I hear the "I want Packer tickets too!" and find people unwilling to help me out with preseason and late December games, they will never get tickets from me period. The games I go to are based on my personal schedule so it's more often than not when I offer tickets for teams like the Bears in October. I sell my tickets for face value to friends and family.

And one comment to you on a personal note: You're looking in the wrong places if you can't find tickets close to face value for the winless Lions in December. :magnifyglass:
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wpr
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13 years ago
I guess my point is they don't sell individual game tickets. Period. They apparently have no plans nor desire to sell them. (Other than the ones for the local residence of Brown County.) Most teams in most professional sports try and maximize their season ticket sales. GB has excelled in this area so you should not criticize them for doing what 90% of the other teams would do if they could.

It has been my experience when teams have the vast majority of their seats sold in a season package but then release some of them on an individual basis, those tickets are almost always bought by ticket brokers who then jack the price up when they reselll them. So even if GB sold in the manner you would like the chances are still great you would not get them.

Like vegOmatic, I can't make every game either and I only have the small plan. So I have given away a lot of tickets over the years.
I know there is a whole lot more to life than football so I am anything but a fanatic. The first year I bought my tickets was the first year for the Personal Seat License. I had to take out a loan to buy them. It took me roughly 3 years to pay it off so I am certainly not wealthy.
When I look around at the people who sit in the nosebleed section of the end zone with me, it is safe to say the vast majority of them too are not wealthy either. I can not speak as if they are blue color or not since most of them are green colored on Sundays.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
The length of the waiting list is pretty awesome, especially when you add in how many consecutive seasons the Packers have sold out. Pretty incredible, if you understand that kind of thing.
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vegOmatic
13 years ago

I guess my point is they don't sell individual game tickets.

"wpr" wrote:



Then you have 80,000 people screaming bloody murder about having to wait that much longer.

Regardless, despite the Packers probably wishing they could change things, it's a great situation any business would love to have and I think it's used to the Packers advantage.
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DakotaT
13 years ago
Well if anybody has 5 overpriced tickets for me for an October game, I'd appreciate. Mia will be done with her chemo in September and I'd like to take the family to a game.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

It has been my experience when teams have the vast majority of their seats sold in a season package but then release some of them on an individual basis, those tickets are almost always bought by ticket brokers who then jack the price up when they reselll them. So even if GB sold in the manner you would like the chances are still great you would not get them.

"wpr" wrote:



Again, that's a problem with the whole system of selling primarily by season packages.

It wouldn't be hard to foil. Limit the number of tickets an individual account can purchase. That would prevent dealers from buying up vast swathes of tickets.

Like I said, it's fine. The Packers won't ever get any of my money. That's their choice.
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