macbob
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13 years ago
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/02/07/the-packers-championship-window-history-says-about-five-years/ 

Congratulations to the Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers. Celebrate now, and then get ready for next season. Tomorrow and next season is promised to no team, but history says youve got a decent chance of adding to it some time over the next five years.

I looked at all previous 44 Super Bowl winners, and how frequently they made the conference championship game, Super Bowl, or won it all in the fifteen years after a Super Bowl victory. Obviously, not every Super Bowl winner is fifteen years removed from a victory, so the total number of teams in each category decreases with the number of years. Here is a summary of the frequency with which the Super Bowl winners accomplish those milestones.


Yrs Post-SB SB W   SB L   CH GM   Total Teams 
     1        8       3      6          44 
     2        2       1      7          43 
     3        6       2      5          42 
     4        6       2      4          41 
     5        4       1      4          40 
     6        2       1      2          39 
     7        2       1      2          38 
     8        1       0      4          37 
     9        1       1      5          36 
    10        1       2      3          35 
    11        0       1      3          34 
    12        0       1      2          33 
    13        1       0      2          32 
    14        1       1      2          31 
    15        0       0      1          30 

This next table converts that to percentages, so we can compare to a randomly selected team. Here, I combine the numbers so we get Super Bowl Wins, Super Bowl Appearances, and Conference Championship Game Appearances. The number of competing teams has changed over time and adjusts the percentages slightly, but for comparison, a random team has about a 3.5% chance of winning the Super Bowl, 7% chance of appearing in a Super Bowl, and 14% chance of reaching a conference championship game in a given season over this period.


Yrs Post-SB SB W  SB APP   CH GM APP 
       1   18.2%   25.0%   38.6% 
       2    4.7%    7.0%   23.3% 
       3   14.3%   19.0%   31.0% 
       4   14.6%   19.5%   29.3% 
       5   10.0%   12.5%   22.5% 
       6    5.1%    7.7%   12.8% 
       7    5.3%    7.9%   13.2% 
       8    2.7%    2.7%   13.5% 
       9    2.8%    5.6%   19.4% 
      10    2.9%    8.6%   17.1% 
      11    0.0%    2.9%   11.8% 
      12    0.0%    3.0%    9.1% 
      13    3.1%    3.1%    9.4% 
      14    3.2%    6.5%   12.9% 
      15    0.0%    0.0%    3.3% 

The fifth year after a Super Bowl win is the last time that the champions outperformed a randomly selected team in all three categories. Its interesting that, even though the next year was the most common to see another championship, there was not much drop off in the first four seasons. In fact, because of the drop off in year two, there were as many Super Bowls won in years 3 & 4 combined as in years 1 & 2.

If we look at just teams that had a younger quarterback who was under the age of 28 at the time of his first Super Bowl win, 6 of those 10 teams won another Super Bowl within the next 3 seasons.

Aaron Rodgers will turn 28 next December. Some veteran pieces (Woodson, Driver, Clifton) wont be around as starters too much longer. There is alot of talent on this team, though, that should be. This was probably not supposed to be their year with all of the injuries, but Ted Thompson has done such a good job of building depth and overturning the roster that the Packers should be in the hunt for the next several years. In addition to Rodgers, Clay Matthews, B.J. Raji, Tramon Williams, Josh Sitton, Greg Jennings, and Jermichael Finley are young players that are already amongst the best at their positions. Guys like Bryan Bulaga and Jordy Nelson have been drafted to build that depth, and will step into larger roles.

If you gave me a 50/50 proposition, I would lean toward more likely than not that the Packers win another title sometime in the next five years. If we assume that they have a 12% chance of winning each year (roughly in line with historical Super Bowl winners in next five), they would win at least one title in the next five seasons to come 48% of the time. Im willing to bump their chances up though, based on having the quarterback, depth, and young stars in place.

BigLeadSports wrote:

wpr
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13 years ago
5 years seems about right. The core players on the team will be getting a little older by then and their talents will diminish. The years of having a better record and thus poorer position for the draft will begin to add up.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago
If the Packers keep true to the Pittsburgh model, the management and coaching staff will not turn over in a short period of time. Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy could reasonably be here for the next 10 years.

Since Ted Thompson doesn't chase after over 30 FAs to fill in the roster, the window can stretch quite a bit. With a constant influx of young talent to replace the older players as they retire and Thompson's penchant for finding absolute diamonds in every round of the draft and after, the window should be open as long as Ted Thompson keeps bringing in talented players.

1 Super Bowl is a little early to be talking Dynasty thought. If anyone is interested in my opinion.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
Well, looking at the big picture, the Packers dominated from 61-67, winning 5 Championships in 7 years.

The Steelers dominated from 74-79, winning 4 Championships in 6 years.

The Niners dominated from 81-89, winning 4 Championships in 9 years.

The Cows dominated from 92-95, winning 3 Championships in 4 years.

The Patriots dominated from 01-04, winning 3 Championships in 4 years.

The Steelers I guess are the most dominant team today. They played in 3 Championships, winning 2, from 2005-2010, which is a 6 year span.

I'd rather look at it this method, seeing a dominant team and specifically mentioning them.

I think the Packers will dominate from 2010-2019, winning 4 Championships in that time period. My prediction. 5 years seems like a small window when we have up and coming elite talent like CM3 (whose family seems to play forever) on D and Aaron Rodgers on O. Woody's time is limited. Those are the 3 current Hall of Famers. Who knows who else will develop? Possibly BJ Raji. Possibly Tramon Williams. I'm talking Hall of Famers, not just good players.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago
Shields could also end up being one of those HOF players. We have a lot of young guys that have the potential for a long time being very productive. We have 8 more Ted Thompson draft picks coming and who knows how many undrafted FAs.

The key will be if Ted Thompson can keep up the production in the player acquisition area. He has been unbelievable in the last couple years so I don't see why not.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

Shields could also end up being one of those HOF players. We have a lot of young guys that have the potential for a long time being very productive. We have 8 more Ted Thompson draft picks coming and who knows how many undrafted FAs.

The key will be if Ted Thompson can keep up the production in the player acquisition area. He has been unbelievable in the last couple years so I don't see why not.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:


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Packers_Finland
13 years ago
Long as we keep Ted Thompson and Aaron stays loyal and healthy I don't see why we couldn't stay as a contender for 10 more years.
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