dhazer
14 years ago

I couldn't even read this shit.

Green Bay Packers are just won the championship

"TwinkieGorilla" wrote:



Now...I know you don't need to be able to dissect Finnegan's Wake in order to become a sports journalist...but can we please not use our fucking iPhones to write news stories? FFS.


forgot the next sentence lol

And net year's edition probably won't look much different, considering the club's free agent future.


Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Wade
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14 years ago
Nelson had at least as many drops as Jones had this year, did he not?

Jones' drops have been frustrating, I admit. But IMO he's a lot better than Nelson.

Look at the plays that Jones has had some of those drops -- would Nelson have even been in a position to make those plays? Its frustrating when he drops those perfectly thrown passes, but many of them (like the one in the SuperBowl) only were perfectly thrown because he had the moves to get open in the first place. I'd rather be frustrated by a guy who gets open enough to drop the occasional deep sideline pass over a DB's outstretched hands than the guy who drops slant and outs in front of said DB.

I want both Nelson and Jones back, but if the team has to go without one or the other, IMO, Nelson is a smaller loss.
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djcubez
14 years ago
Here's a list of our free agents from earlier this season:

A.J. Hawk**      LB      26      4      $4,123,750
Cullen Jenkins**     DE     29     6     3,200,000
Tyrone Williams**     CB     27     3     3,043,000
Daryn Colledge**     G     28     4     1,759,000
Jason Spitz     C-G     27     4     1,759,000
Atari Bigby     S     28     4     1,699,500
Will Blackmon     S     25     4     1,176,000
John Kuhn     FB     27     4     1,176,000
Mason Crosby     K     25     3     1,101,000
James Jones     WR     26     3     1,101,000
Charlie Peprah     S     27     4     630,000
Allen Barbre     T-G     26     3     550,000
Desmond Bishop     LB     26     3     550,000
Korey Hall**     FB     27     3     550,000
Brandon Jackson     RB     24     3     550,000

It's funny to me that he put "Tyrone" instead of "Tramon" Williams. This list is lacking Sam Shields and a few other mid-season acquisitions.

I've been thinking about the impending free agents almost all of yesterday because I really want to keep a lot of players.

The WR situation is going to be interesting. I've heard conflicting reports about Driver retiring--the guy said he wanted to play until he's 40 but now that he's won a Super Bowl guys like Peter King are saying he might call it a career. Now if we lose Driver were left with only Jennings and Jordy on our roster with Swain and Jones as FA's (although Swain is an exclusive-rights FA).

In my opinion, regardless of what happens to Driver, we keep Jones unless he doesn't want to stay. Jones dropped his way out of a big contract on the free agent market. If he had caught those easy touchdowns (he had like 4-5 this year at the least) he may have found it easy to bolt to another team for the big bucks. But I don't think there are many teams willing to pay for his inconsistency. Because of that I think we'll be able to offer Jones around what he'd get on the FA market so unless Jones wants to leave or we don't want him anymore I think we keep him.

Swain is a different story. The guy is great for our special teams and has been fifth on the depth chart. He won't break the bank so we'll probably keep him around to battle it out in training camp another year.

I also don't understand all the anti-Jackson sentiment on the board. If Grant comes back healthy we have a legitimate tandem with him in Starks. Jackson won't command a lot of money on the open market because his best assets are as a third-down back. In our offense, especially with how pass-happy we've been, a reliable third-down back is almost as important as a straight running back. Jackson knows the offense, has a knack for picking up the blitz and is extremely efficient on screens and underneath passing routes. I don't know why we wouldn't keep him, especially because not a lot of teams will want to pay for him. Grant, Starks, and Jackson sounds like a great depth chart at RB.

However, if we keep three RB's one of our FB's has got to go. What's interesting is that Kuhn and Hall's contracts are both up but Johnson's isn't. If I were to guess a FB that would be cut it would probably be Johnson, even though I love the guy. He just doesn't fit our offense very well--he'd be amazing in a power running scheme but we rarely utilize that if at all in our system. Plus, Kuhn's versatility and Hall's abilities on special teams will definitely factor in here. I count on only having two FB's on the roster this season.

The mention of locking up Tramon Williams was huge but they failed to mention what happened with Bishop. Now that Desmond is here to stay we have an interesting situation on our hands. Barnett has been on IR for the majority of the last two seasons. Two of our other ILB's just signed 4-year deals in the last two years (Chillar and Bishop). Hawk's salary jumps from 3.5 million to 10 million this season and with the leadership he's shown I can't see how he doesn't get his deal restructured. So what does this mean for Barnett? Is he going to get cut? Traded? Do we try switching one of our ILB's to the outside? This is by far the most interesting contract situation in my mind.

Jenkins is the toughest nut to crack here. He's the only free agent we have that will have a steep asking price. Add that to the fact that he's just turning 30 and you have a guy that's going to be getting the last contract of his career. He wants that financial stability. I would love to keep him--whenever him on Matthews are on the field at the same time it's hard not to notice how much more effective our pass rush is--but I just don't know if it's in the cards. If we keep Green we'll have Neal, Green, Raji, Pickett, Wilson and Wynn on the d-line. It will be much weaker without Jenkins and I trust that Ted Thompson will do everything in his power to get a deal done but I just don't see Ted Thompson matching Jenkins probable asking price.

Our guard situation is also a bit interesting. Spitz and Colledge are both up for free agency and our line isn't getting any stronger or younger. Because of Spitz' injuries I can see him getting a training camp contract if he wants to compete for the job again this summer. For Colledge it's a bit tougher. He seemed a bit miffed when we made him sign his tender last year so I think he may not even want to stay here. Offensive lineman are always a hot commodity so I expect someone to overpay for Colledge if he gets to free agency. I really don't see us keeping him.

And what about Atari? Well, we've had Collins and Peprah play solidly this last year (Peprah is a free agent too) and we'll be getting Morgan Burnett and Anthony Smith back from injury. Bigby has also struggled with injuries in the past and, like Colledge, he was forced to sign his tender last year. I feel we'll let him explore the market and sign with another team if he chooses too. I don't think we'll be actively trying to keep him but if he falls back into another Green Bay training camp I wouldn't be surprised.

Last but not least Aaron Rodgers guitar partner and long snapper extraordinaire Brett Goode will probably be re-signed.
djcubez
14 years ago

Nelson had at least as many drops as Jones had this year, did he not?

Jones' drops have been frustrating, I admit. But IMO he's a lot better than Nelson.

Look at the plays that Jones has had some of those drops -- would Nelson have even been in a position to make those plays? Its frustrating when he drops those perfectly thrown passes, but many of them (like the one in the SuperBowl) only were perfectly thrown because he had the moves to get open in the first place. I'd rather be frustrated by a guy who gets open enough to drop the occasional deep sideline pass over a DB's outstretched hands than the guy who drops slant and outs in front of said DB.

I want both Nelson and Jones back, but if the team has to go without one or the other, IMO, Nelson is a smaller loss.

"Wade" wrote:



Despite the fact that Jordy and Jones may have the same amount of drops (I don't know offhand) Jones' drops have been much bigger. The majority of the drops that I can remember Jones having were all on the exact same play. Jones beats his man on an outside fade route and the safety gets sucked in to the middle of the field leaving a lot of space in front of Jones. The ball is perfectly floated right into his fingertips but he struggles to hang onto an almost surefire touchdown. However, I believe the only reason Rodgers throws these balls is he has complete confidence in Jones catching them. That in turn tells me that Jones must make all these catches in practice but fails for some reason in games. I'd love to keep Jones because with his talent level in our offense the ceiling is set at pro bowl or super star. But he first needs to stop dropping touchdowns.
Greg C.
14 years ago
Yes, Jordy dropped about as many passes as Jones. But Jones is a free agent this year and Jordy is not. That's why some of us are talking about maybe letting Jones walk. If both players were going into free agency, this would be a different discussion.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
It's interesting to contemplate how Rodgers' stat line might have looked had it not been for all the wide receiver and tight end miscues this year. I have too much free time on my hands for the next few weeks, so I'd like to go back through the entire season's footage to examine this question. My conservative estimate: 4500 yards, 35 touchdowns, and 8 interceptions.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

It's interesting to contemplate how Rodgers' stat line might have looked had it not been for all the wide receiver and tight end miscues this year. I have too much free time on my hands for the next few weeks, so I'd like to go back through the entire season's footage to examine this question. My conservative estimate: 4500 yards, 35 touchdowns, and 8 interceptions.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Just make sure to do the same thing for every other QB so we can put the new stat line into its proper context.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Heh, if someone can provide me with footage to do that, it would be an interesting project.
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djcubez
14 years ago

It's interesting to contemplate how Rodgers' stat line might have looked had it not been for all the wide receiver and tight end miscues this year. I have too much free time on my hands for the next few weeks, so I'd like to go back through the entire season's footage to examine this question. My conservative estimate: 4500 yards, 35 touchdowns, and 8 interceptions.

"Greg C." wrote:



Just make sure to do the same thing for every other QB so we can put the new stat line into its proper context.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Jon Kitna would be happy.
Jacob
14 years ago

Bleacher Report 

Green Bay Packers Free Agency Shouldn't Disrupt Chemistry
By
Adam Lazarus
(Featured Columnist) on February 7, 2011

Green Bay Packers are just won the championship of the 2010 NFL season. And net year's edition probably won't look much different, considering the club's free agent future.

Because they Packers locked up emerging star cornerback Tramon Williams last November, the Packers only have two essential pieces to worry about re-signing this spring.

Defensive lineman Cullen Jenkins is a free agent and could leave town, but the Packers started their Super Bowl run while Jenkins was sidelined with an injury, so even if he does bolt via free agency, they should be able to replace him.

Running back Brandon Jackson and wide receiver James Jones are also free agent's but solid players are already in place to fill those spots.

James Starks stepped up at running back and Ryan Grant will be healthy next year, and the Packers might be the deepest team in the NFL when it comes to the wide receiver position.

The only main position that should concern the Packers this offseason is safety, where both Charles Peprah and Atari Bigby are free agents.

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